Rule Changes

[rinkrat90]

First time on this forum. So, these subjects have probably already been covered. First, why are players penalized two minutes for an infraction in a twelve minute stop time or 15 min run time period? At the college level, a two minute penalty equals ten percent of the period. A corresponding penalty at the youth level would be one minute and twelve seconds. Makes no sense to have two minute penalties at youth level.

Second, time to bring back touch-up offsides. I know the reason for the no touch up is to prevent dumping the puck in the zone (like you see in the pros, college and HS level) and to improve neutral ice play. But all it really does is put the puck in the refs hand more often and stop play more often.

Third, why do kids ages eight to fourteen need four hours between games? What is the most icetime a kid gets during a typical game; 15 minutes tops. This is particularly confusing, since the powers at be often decry the lack of the rink rat player from back in the day, who would skate morning to night. This rule is really an inconvenience during tournaments; teams will sometimes play two games on a saturday; the first before noon and the second one after six or seven in the evening.
A one hour or two hour break at the most would be sufficient.

[rudy]

prorating penalties to match length of periods is interesting. my concern is the small amount of time shorter penalties allow for teams to have a decent chance to set up their power plays. and the younger players probably need all that time.

touchup v. current offsides: i used to back touchup, but i'd rather see coaches teach their players how to regroup, keep the puck and then attack a cleared-out zone.

time between games? i agree. i know a team that finished a 15-min period game at 945 am and was back on the ice at noon for a title game that went to a shootout. no physical harm befell either team. i think two hours is plenty.

other rule changes to think about?

let a goalie waive off an icing.

no more running time for wide margins. kids on losing teams just wanna play. they dont wanna miss shifts just cuz others cant handle getting thumped. also, penalties during running time arent the equal of penalties during stop time.

[Wingin' it]

Third, why do kids ages eight to fourteen need four hours between games? What is the most icetime a kid gets during a typical game; 15 minutes tops. This is particularly confusing, since the powers at be often decry the lack of the rink rat player from back in the day, who would skate morning to night. This rule is really an inconvenience during tournaments; teams will sometimes play two games on a saturday; the first before noon and the second one after six or seven in the evening.
A one hour or two hour break at the most would be sufficient.

The rule now allows for a minimum of 3 hours between games. Depending on the number of teams in a tournament and sheets of ice available, it can be difficult to schedule games only 3 hours apart.

[DMan-dad]

Penalty time: in District 11 we have 1:30 penalties for 12 minute stop time periods.

Offsides: I agree, there are way too many whistles at the blue line. Seems like whenever it is even close to offsides, there is a whistle. I like the touch-up rule.

No more running time: I like that idea too.

[elliott70]

First time on this forum. So, these subjects have probably already been covered. First, why are players penalized two minutes for an infraction in a twelve minute stop time or 15 min run time period? At the college level, a two minute penalty equals ten percent of the period. A corresponding penalty at the youth level would be one minute and twelve seconds. Makes no sense to have two minute penalties at youth level.

Local district rules can define as stated above.
D16 uses 17 minute periods.
MH could establish something regarding aange - I will bring it up this weekend.

Second, time to bring back touch-up offsides. I know the reason for the no touch up is to prevent dumping the puck in the zone (like you see in the pros, college and HS level) and to improve neutral ice play. But all it really does is put the puck in the refs hand more often and stop play more often.

This wont change.

Third, why do kids ages eight to fourteen need four hours between games? What is the most icetime a kid gets during a typical game; 15 minutes tops. This is particularly confusing, since the powers at be often decry the lack of the rink rat player from back in the day, who would skate morning to night. This rule is really an inconvenience during tournaments; teams will sometimes play two games on a saturday; the first before noon and the second one after six or seven in the evening.
A one hour or two hour break at the most would be sufficient.

As stated above it is now a 3 hour rule.
There are professional people that have established that a rest is needed, perhaps it could be different for different ages, but the MH Board confirmed that 3 hours is appropriate. Setting up a tourney with a gap as large as what you are using is based on other conflicts. Typically an 11am game could be followed by a 4:00 game.

[elliott70]

running time
D16 rule is that visiting team decides running time in 3rd period if 6 goal lead.

no USAH rule for youth running time

[rudy]

i like the D16 rule on running time.

[hockeydad]

As for running time, you have to have it in invitational tournaments because it helps to keep the tourney on schedule. You've got to figure you're going to have a couple of those one-sided games to make up for lost time if a couple of OT games screw up your schedule.

[rudy]

yes, in tourneys it may be needed. but in general, i think the losing team should be given the option of going or not going into running time.

[PWD10]

Third, why do kids ages eight to fourteen need four hours between games? What is the most icetime a kid gets during a typical game; 15 minutes tops. This is particularly confusing, since the powers at be often decry the lack of the rink rat player from back in the day, who would skate morning to night. This rule is really an inconvenience during tournaments; teams will sometimes play two games on a saturday; the first before noon and the second one after six or seven in the evening.
A one hour or two hour break at the most would be sufficient.

Some teams only have one goalie and he/she may play the whole game.
Some defensive players play at a minimum half the game. Throw in PP/PK and it could be as much as two thirds of the game.

I am sure as parents we would like to get there, get it over and get out of there and get home. I hear the message, but am also thinking of those players who need food, a recovery period and those who may have asthma or other breathing issues. I guess the rehydration and recovery period after a game has to be significant so that kids can accomplish that.

Pond hockey is one thing. Playing an intense game at any level is usually proceeded by "Dad where can we get some food" immediately following a game and how did I do.

[rudy]

I know of a team that played an intense Bantam A tournament game that ended at 10 and then played the title game starting at noon that finished in a post-overtime shootout. I saw no lack of energy by any of the skaters. the key was this team got out of the rink quickly after the earlier game, was well hydrated and ate correctly in between. Smart warmups before each game also helped. A good night's rest the evening before also was crucial. If you know what is coming, wise preparation can meet the challenge. In this case, two hours was enough time between games.