I heard that the BSM game on Saturday Night has been cancelled by AHA, because they have only 9 players and that it would get out of control in regards to score.
What has happened to this program? Won state in 05 and now are maybe the worst team in the state. Are they looking for a new coach again? Can this program come back and be a trong program again?
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As Newman (from seinfeld) would say, "There's Karma Kramer". Seriously, something happened beyond bad economy. For whatever reason, they lost the ability to bring in the stud players. I feel bad for the current staff and the players remaining since they were not a part of much of the reign of terror, but I bet most missota teams don't have that same sympathy for what the stars have done over the years.
I do find a bit of irony that AHA is cancelling a game because they don't want to happen to them what they had done so many times over the years against less than adequate opponents, especially for a game against Benilde who has been recruiting harder than any other team the past 2-3 years (oops, was that out loud)
I do find a bit of irony that AHA is cancelling a game because they don't want to happen to them what they had done so many times over the years against less than adequate opponents, especially for a game against Benilde who has been recruiting harder than any other team the past 2-3 years (oops, was that out loud)
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That is shocking, I don't know that I have ever heard of canceling a game in the middle of the season. It's unfortunate, and the program is one of the original programs in the state. It was a very bad team, prior to some years of very good teams. The administration at that school is very good, so I have no doubt that they will be good again someday. It will just take time.shotpassskate wrote:I heard that the BSM game on Saturday Night has been cancelled by AHA, because they have only 9 players and that it would get out of control in regards to score.
What has happened to this program? Won state in 05 and now are maybe the worst team in the state. Are they looking for a new coach again? Can this program come back and be a trong program again?
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AHA and BSM have played each other for many years. But with this cancellation I doubt the game is scheduled again any time soon. Looking at how strong the boys team still is - they just knocked off Eden Prairie, the No. 1-rated boys AA team - I would bet that the school makes every effort to again make the girls program competitive.ayhfan wrote:Why is AHA on BSM's schedule anyway.
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Of any team I think BSM has shown some restraint this season. They have a very strong team in a conference that is not as strong. I don't think you see the #1 goalie or the top line in the 3rd period against the lower half of the conference.bestbuyer wrote:Can you blame AHA? Most of these coaches don't know how to let up after thier team is pounding the weaker opponent. Look at Lakeville South when they pounded Bloomington Kennedy 17-0. After a 10 goal lead do you think the coach should mention to the girls back off?
I hate to see programs need to merge but seems like some of these lopsided scores might signal the need for some combined teams. AHA/Kennedy/Richfield? That said, can you really blame them (LS) I think there are some kids in the last couple years that are going D1 because they get huge numbers against teams that are not competitively balanced. Those same kids are often off the score sheet when they play a top ten team.
I would say that if a D1 coach based their recruiting based on stats, they would not be coaching at the D1 level very long! These programs do a ton of research on these kids, and their livelihood is tied to the success of their recruits. I would say there is not benefit to piling up points against weaker teams.royals dad wrote:That said, can you really blame them (LS) I think there are some kids in the last couple years that are going D1 because they get huge numbers against teams that are not competitively balanced. Those same kids are often off the score sheet when they play a top ten team.
The part that we as casual fans don't know about these scores, is the circumstances around them. To some teams/coaches it is more embarrassing to have a team play keep away for an entire period then if they just played normal hockey. The other part is some of these good teams have 4th and 5th lines just as good as their top lines, and in a situation like that, you can bet those 4th liners are trying twice as hard as a top line kid, as they are trying to catch the coaches eye, and prove they can play at the HS level. The bottom line is it's not a fun game for either team, but they happen mostly in conference play.
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There is a similar discussion going on in the boys forum. I thought the following post that was just added by "TheClipper" made some good points:
"AD's and coaches are intelligent folks who anticipate blowouts and prepare accordingly. Very, very rarely do you see unexpected blowouts.
Coaches anticipating the happy side see the game as a chance to play reserves, or perhaps JV players. If they select and position their players accordingly, winning coaches can keep the results reasonable while still improving their squads. Coaches on the bad side look for small improvements, or mini victories. In either case, good coaches can find teachable moments.
If you're the superior team the most insulting act is to lay down (stop shooting, play keepaway, etc.) No one wants to be pitied.
Believe it or not, AHA, Hill Murray, Edina (or whatever team is currently ruining your life) do all they can to avoid scheduling blowouts. But it's impossible to eliminate them.
Most sports have measures in place to minimize the ill effects of blowouts.
Bad sportsmanship can occur. This usually comes from players--not coaches. If you insist on assigning "blame", or identifying "villains" in a blowout, you can usually find them on either side of the scoreboard.
Some players and coaches use blowouts to pad their stats. Intelligent folks are not impressed by this."
"AD's and coaches are intelligent folks who anticipate blowouts and prepare accordingly. Very, very rarely do you see unexpected blowouts.
Coaches anticipating the happy side see the game as a chance to play reserves, or perhaps JV players. If they select and position their players accordingly, winning coaches can keep the results reasonable while still improving their squads. Coaches on the bad side look for small improvements, or mini victories. In either case, good coaches can find teachable moments.
If you're the superior team the most insulting act is to lay down (stop shooting, play keepaway, etc.) No one wants to be pitied.
Believe it or not, AHA, Hill Murray, Edina (or whatever team is currently ruining your life) do all they can to avoid scheduling blowouts. But it's impossible to eliminate them.
Most sports have measures in place to minimize the ill effects of blowouts.
Bad sportsmanship can occur. This usually comes from players--not coaches. If you insist on assigning "blame", or identifying "villains" in a blowout, you can usually find them on either side of the scoreboard.
Some players and coaches use blowouts to pad their stats. Intelligent folks are not impressed by this."
Great post thanks for sharing! The one thing that would be a little different form boys to girls is the bigger schools often have a deep bench and can manipulate players time, but some schools skate a JV/V team with 24-30 players on the girls side, and sometimes don't have roster flexibility.MNHockeyFan wrote:There is a similar discussion going on in the boys forum. I thought the following post that was just added by "TheClipper" made some good points:
"AD's and coaches are intelligent folks who anticipate blowouts and prepare accordingly. Very, very rarely do you see unexpected blowouts.
Coaches anticipating the happy side see the game as a chance to play reserves, or perhaps JV players. If they select and position their players accordingly, winning coaches can keep the results reasonable while still improving their squads. Coaches on the bad side look for small improvements, or mini victories. In either case, good coaches can find teachable moments.
If you're the superior team the most insulting act is to lay down (stop shooting, play keepaway, etc.) No one wants to be pitied.
Believe it or not, AHA, Hill Murray, Edina (or whatever team is currently ruining your life) do all they can to avoid scheduling blowouts. But it's impossible to eliminate them.
Most sports have measures in place to minimize the ill effects of blowouts.
Bad sportsmanship can occur. This usually comes from players--not coaches. If you insist on assigning "blame", or identifying "villains" in a blowout, you can usually find them on either side of the scoreboard.
Some players and coaches use blowouts to pad their stats. Intelligent folks are not impressed by this."
A short story of a similar situation when I coached. In trying to manipulate my lineup to get some kids into the game in the 2nd & 3rd period. I was told by the scorekeeper, who is a game official, that I couldn't roster more than 20 kids for the game. I explained that I was trying to get some other kids into the mix so the game wouldn't get out of control. He told me that it didn't matter, and that my team limit was 20. The point is we can't over react to a box score without knowing all of the circumstances surrounding a particular game.
Many good points, but I agree that teams should not pity others. Yes, the "make 5 passes before attempting to score" rule may have worked for youth sports, but not at HS and above. I'm sure everyone has been on the short end of the stick at least once and, while it's no fun, you can find out who really cares by how hard they're trying when down by 10. Take your lumps and move on. Of course, the winning team should do it's best to maintain the integrity of the game while providing more work for "lesser" players. Doesn't always work, but coaches should still make an honest effort.