Benilde Leaving North Suburban for Hockey

F14 · Post by **F14** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:12 pm

Just wondering if anyone knows if this is BSM's last year in the North Suburban? The Boys don't play everyone twice now and I don't think they have EVER lost a game in the North Suburban in 6 years.

Could they go independent just for hockey? In other sports they do face some competition from Totino, Cooper (basketball), SLP (Soccer), etc.

Anyone have any detailed information?

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:44 pm

Did you actually hear something or are you just speculating?

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:13 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:Did you actually hear something or are you just speculating?

That's all.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:53 am

I don't think a school can decide to only have one of their programs move to another conference. Is there any precedent?

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:57 am

I thought they had to switch for all sports.

Nobodyonya · Post by **Nobodyonya** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:36 am

old goalie85 wrote:I thought they had to switch for all sports.

I know Elk River plays football in the Mississippi 8 conference and hockey in Northwest Suburban so if that's the case you can throw that theory out

celly93 · Post by **celly93** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:49 am

I actually just talked to coach Pauly about this. They would like to leave but they don't really have any choice but to stay as of now.

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:23 am

It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:36 am

mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.

Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:14 am

muckandgrind wrote:
mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.
Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?

Because the school belongs to a conference and has to follow the by-laws, so they don't have a choice. They probably could petition to opt out in hockey, but the conference would have to approve.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:32 am

mulefarm wrote:
muckandgrind wrote:
mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.
Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?
Because the school belongs to a conference and has to follow the by-laws, so they don't have a choice. They probably could petition to opt out in hockey, but the conference would have to approve.

...and that conference is made up of the schools it represents. If they wanted out, I assume they would just need to petition the Northern Suburban Conference (the schools), and possibly the MSHSL, and ask out.

If a school can, in fact, have just a single program (Boy's Hockey) move out, then I would think they would have a good shot. If it's all or nothing, then I guess it would be tougher....because it's not like BSM dominates at ALL sports.

puck81 · Post by **puck81** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:18 am

muckandgrind wrote:
mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.
Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?

St. Louis Pak and St. Francis opted to play BSM once this year in conference play for a 4 point game but evidentally Irondale ENJOYS getting smoked by the "west metro mercenary all-stars" because they opted tp play them twice. I never heard anyone taking shots at Benilde back in the day when they were not that good. Now that the program has developed into a winner the complaints and cheap shots fly. Oh my how times have changed.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:47 am

puck81 wrote:
muckandgrind wrote:
mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.
Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?
St. Louis Pak and St. Francis opted to play BSM once this year in conference play for a 4 point game but evidentally Irondale ENJOYS getting smoked by the "west metro mercenary all-stars" because they opted tp play them twice. I never heard anyone taking shots at Benilde back in the day when they were not that good. Now that the program has developed into a winner the complaints and cheap shots fly. Oh my how times have changed.

I'm not complaining, nor did I consider that a "cheap shot". I actually respect the fact that BSM puts on their big boy pants and plays in the AA sections (unlike some other private schools in the metro).

But let's face it, they ARE an all-star team made up of mercenary players (Just like HM, STA and others). If you want to call that a "cheap shot", go right ahead....but you can't deny that it's the truth. I doubt these kids are flocking to BSM to escape the horrible education systems in Edina and Wayzata.

Post by **karl(east)** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:51 am

puck81 wrote:
muckandgrind wrote:
mulefarm wrote:It would be nice if BSM, AHA and Hill all played in the Lake. This would really be a great league. Probably won't happen, there conference probably won't let them out.
Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?
St. Louis Pak and St. Francis opted to play BSM once this year in conference play for a 4 point game but evidentally Irondale ENJOYS getting smoked by the "west metro mercenary all-stars" because they opted tp play them twice. I never heard anyone taking shots at Benilde back in the day when they were not that good. Now that the program has developed into a winner the complaints and cheap shots fly. Oh my how times have changed.

Shots at your team are a pretty good indicator that your team's made it into the top tier in the state.

Success bring scrutiny. You learn to live with it. Definitely worth the price...

EREmpireStrikesBack · Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:04 am

karl(east) wrote:Shots at your team are a pretty good indicator that your team's made it into the top tier in the state.

Success bring scrutiny. You learn to live with it. Definitely worth the price...

I'm used to it. No worries.

puck81 · Post by **puck81** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:04 am

muckandgrind wrote:
puck81 wrote:
muckandgrind wrote: Why would you say that? Do you think St Louis Park, St Francis and Irondale somehow ENJOY playing the West Metro Mercenary All-Stars twice a year?
St. Louis Pak and St. Francis opted to play BSM once this year in conference play for a 4 point game but evidentally Irondale ENJOYS getting smoked by the "west metro mercenary all-stars" because they opted tp play them twice. I never heard anyone taking shots at Benilde back in the day when they were not that good. Now that the program has developed into a winner the complaints and cheap shots fly. Oh my how times have changed.
I'm not complaining, nor did I consider that a "cheap shot". I actually respect the fact that BSM puts on their big boy pants and plays in the AA sections (unlike some other private schools in the metro).

But let's face it, they ARE an all-star team made up of mercenary players (Just like HM, STA and others). If you want to call that a "cheap shot", go right ahead....but you can't deny that it's the truth. I doubt these kids are flocking to BSM to escape the horrible education systems in Edina and Wayzata.

Perhaps they are escaping the fact that government schools expelled GOD years ago and they also want religous education as well a top education in a private catholic school. Jake Horton was not consisdered an all-star when he arrived at BSM but has been developed by a great group of coaches. In fact BSM has developed a number of players over the years whom the government schools did not want and they are not all from Wayzata and Edina. I do deny your "mercenary " comment because it is not the truth, only YOUR opinion.

Karl: I do take the "shots" as a compliment but will fend off so called "truths" in a respectful debate which, for the most part, this site exemplifies.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:11 am

puck81 wrote:
muckandgrind wrote:
puck81 wrote: St. Louis Pak and St. Francis opted to play BSM once this year in conference play for a 4 point game but evidentally Irondale ENJOYS getting smoked by the "west metro mercenary all-stars" because they opted tp play them twice. I never heard anyone taking shots at Benilde back in the day when they were not that good. Now that the program has developed into a winner the complaints and cheap shots fly. Oh my how times have changed.
I'm not complaining, nor did I consider that a "cheap shot". I actually respect the fact that BSM puts on their big boy pants and plays in the AA sections (unlike some other private schools in the metro).

But let's face it, they ARE an all-star team made up of mercenary players (Just like HM, STA and others). If you want to call that a "cheap shot", go right ahead....but you can't deny that it's the truth. I doubt these kids are flocking to BSM to escape the horrible education systems in Edina and Wayzata.
Perhaps they are escaping the fact that government schools expelled GOD years ago and they also want religous education as well a top education in a private catholic school. Jake Horton was not consisdered an all-star when he arrived at BSM but has been developed by a great group of coaches. In fact BSM has developed a number of players over the years whom the government schools did not want and they are not all from Wayzata and Edina. I do deny your "mercenary " comment because it is not the truth, only YOUR opinion.

If the majority of the kids who arrived at BSM had attended private schools from K-8....then I might agree with you. However, I know that not to be the case. There's nothing illegal or immoral about what's going on....just stating the facts. Good for them and good for the program.

Jake Horton was a helluva player BEFORE he arrived at BSM. I'm not saying he hasn't developed further as a HS player, but don't make it sound as if he was some B2-calibre player before he donned the Red Knight sweater and we need to praise the BSM coaching staff for turning a average player into a really good player....he's ALWAYS been a really good player. Just as most of the players who come to play for them: Daly, Besse, Labosky, Moore, etc.

totalonehockey23 · Post by **totalonehockey23** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:47 pm

Blaine 3
Duluth east 2

1:45 left in 3rd

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:49 pm

totalonehockey23 wrote:Blaine 3
Duluth east 2

1:45 left in 3rd

Wrong topic.

totalonehockey23 · Post by **totalonehockey23** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:12 pm

PuckU126 wrote:
totalonehockey23 wrote:Blaine 3
Duluth east 2

1:45 left in 3rd
Wrong topic.

Yeah I clicked on this one by accident.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:14 pm

totalonehockey23 wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
totalonehockey23 wrote:Blaine 3
Duluth east 2

1:45 left in 3rd
Wrong topic.

Yeah I clicked on this one by accident.

O well. It happens.

East Side Pioneer Guy · Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:06 pm

I don't begrudge AHA or BSM at all, but I do fondly recall the days when my Pioneers were referred to as the "Metro All-Stars". No geographic modifier was necessary. Kinda makes me fell old.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:07 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:I don't begrudge AHA or BSM at all, but I do fondly recall the days when my Pioneers were referred to as the "Metro All-Stars". No geographic modifier was necessary. Kinda makes me fell old.

Some refer to them with that name still.

stpaul · Post by **stpaul** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:46 pm

Couldn't agree more with Karl. BSM, you know you have arrived when your boys are called all-stars, mercenaries, traitors, etc. and some guy on a message board declares it your last year in the conference.

Minnpuck27 · Post by **Minnpuck27** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:29 am

muckandgrind wrote:
puck81 wrote:
muckandgrind wrote: I'm not complaining, nor did I consider that a "cheap shot". I actually respect the fact that BSM puts on their big boy pants and plays in the AA sections (unlike some other private schools in the metro).

But let's face it, they ARE an all-star team made up of mercenary players (Just like HM, STA and others). If you want to call that a "cheap shot", go right ahead....but you can't deny that it's the truth. I doubt these kids are flocking to BSM to escape the horrible education systems in Edina and Wayzata.
Perhaps they are escaping the fact that government schools expelled GOD years ago and they also want religous education as well a top education in a private catholic school. Jake Horton was not consisdered an all-star when he arrived at BSM but has been developed by a great group of coaches. In fact BSM has developed a number of players over the years whom the government schools did not want and they are not all from Wayzata and Edina. I do deny your "mercenary " comment because it is not the truth, only YOUR opinion.
If the majority of the kids who arrived at BSM had attended private schools from K-8....then I might agree with you. However, I know that not to be the case. There's nothing illegal or immoral about what's going on....just stating the facts. Good for them and good for the program.

Jake Horton was a helluva player BEFORE he arrived at BSM. I'm not saying he hasn't developed further as a HS player, but don't make it sound as if he was some B2-calibre player before he donned the Red Knight sweater and we need to praise the BSM coaching staff for turning a average player into a really good player....he's ALWAYS been a really good player. Just as most of the players who come to play for them: Daly, Besse, Labosky, Moore, etc.

Daly has been at BSM since 7th grade
Moore went to private (religious) school for before BSM
Besse was at Breck
Labosky came from edina
1/4 have no private or religious background.