The top 3 have shown this week to be quite close. They have now all beaten the #4 team in the state and all have deficiencies where anyone could argue with have them in any order.
After the top 3 there are 5 more that seem to be very close as well. After the top 8 it's really a crap shoot and will be moving around a lot the rest of the year I suspect.
Enjoy!
1. Breck (10-0) [6-0]
Breck played no games this past week and now the game which was the reason I bumped them up doesn’t seem to great because of Lakeville South’s past week.
This week: Thurs vs Minnehaha Academy, Sat @ Moorhead
2. St Thomas Academy (7-3) [5-0]
Yet another slightly worse GF/GA than Breck for a common opponent in the same week Hermantown beats a team by 4 away that the Cadets beat in OT at home. At the same time, their back up shut out the Packers and they beat a good Zephyrs team, both away. Two AA opponents this week before playing against Breck.
This week: Thurs @ Tartan, Sat vs Holy Family Catholic
3. Hermantown (12-0) [9-0]
The Hawks allow two goals in two away games against Class A teams as they end up beating Marshall by a much bigger margin that both Breck and St Thomas did earlier in the season. Two tough games this week; can they stay undefeated this week?
This week: Tues @ Grand Rapids, Fri vs St Cloud Cathedral, Sat @ Monticello
4. Duluth Marshall (10-5) [8-3]
Two class A shut outs along with a loss while outshooting Hermantown. Marshall keeps themselves solidly outside of the top 3 , but their 3 Class A losses are to the top 3 and their Class AA losses are to a couple top 15 teams by a total of 5 goals. After this week they will have played against all the other teams in the top 5. How will the Toppers do against the Eagles this coming weekend?
This week: Thurs vs Proctor, Sat vs Totino-Grace
5. East Grand Forks (9-3) [6-0]
There is one team in ND who is undefeated; two of their wins are by one goal against East Grand Forks. The Green Wave play two more ND teams this week as their schedule is still hard to determine much from. They did beat Totino-Grace early in the season by a good margin. If Totino plays close with or beats Marshall this week, should the Green Wave jump above them?
This week: Thurs @ Red Lake Falls, Sat vs Grand Forks Central
6. Totino-Grace (8-4) [6-3]
A one goal win over a tough Mahtomedi team and the Eagles bumped up a spot in the rankings this week. Three away games this week against teams who have all shown they can play against good teams.
This week: Mon @ St Louis Park, Thurs @ South St Paul, Sat @ Duluth Marshall
7. Mahtomedi (8-6) [4-4]
Two close losses to teams ranked above them this past week. The Zephys are clearly a top teams in the state and have played a good number of the top teams to prove it. This should be an easy week this week with one game in St Paul.
This week: Thurs @ St Paul Johnson
8. Thief River Falls (9-3-1) [6-2]
Getting beat by a good Moorhead team away doesn’t say much nor does beating a lower 8A team. The Prowlers play two lower 8A teams this week away before other top 8A opponents at home the following weeks.
This week: Tues @ Park Rapids, Thurs @ Crookston
9. St Cloud Cathedral (9-3) [9-2]
Just as many Class A wins as Hermantown as the Crusaders went on a long road trip beating a couple 8A opponents. The huge jump is due to one win and at this point the list is very fluid. Scores would suggest they won’t be able to hang in with Hermantown this Friday; we will see.
This week: Tues vs Mound-Westonka, Fri @ Hermantown
10. Warroad (7-5-1) [4-4]
The Warriors will probably be able to play with anyone in the state and still control their own destiny in 8A as they still have two games against both TRF and EGF, who they lost to in OT. Couple section 8 games this week should tell us more about the Warriors.
This week: Thurs @ Roseau, Sat vs Crookston
11. Rochester Lourdes (8-4) [6-3]
Following shutting out two teams by getting shut out by a top team shows little in one week. This should be a week for the Eagles to get back to winning.
This week: Tues @ Mankato West, Thurs vs New Ulm, Sat vs Eau Claire North
12. Blake (7-6) [6-1]
Two conference wins for the Bears this past week as they also lose to a Chanhassen team that is difficult to know much about. They play a Hutch team this week that has won the last three games at home by 1 goal. The only non-conference game outside of Hutchinson the Bears have left is Lourdes. Expect them to lose only a couple more this season and prove little.
This week: Tues vs Hutchinson, Thurs vs St Paul Academy
13. Delano (9-4) [5-4]
The Tigers move up solely because of teams above them last week moving down. This week we will find out how they should be ranked in 2A as they play their first of two against Orono.
This week: Tues vs Orono, Sat vs Mound-Westonka
14. St Louis Park (8-3) [6-1]
The shut out to Denfeld doesn’t look good at all, but with the parody in the teams after the top 10, beating Rogers is a great sign for the Orioles. Considering the section they’re in and not playing any of the other top teams, St Louis Park will need another good win to get a top 4 seed. How will they do at home against Totino-Grace tomorrow?
This week: Mon vs Totino-Grace, Thurs @ Robbinsdale Cooper
15. Rogers (7-5) [3-5]
Losing to St Louis Park was a bit of a surprise, but the Royals should continue to win in preparation for playing the Crusaders later in the season.
This week: Thurs @ Buffalo, Sat vs Sartell
Section Standings
3A
New Ulm (1-1)
Hutchinson (1-2)
Luverne (1-1)
Marshall (3-2)
Marshall throws a wrench in the section by losing to both Luvernce and Hutchinson and this section is really wide open now. New Ulm has the toughest schedule and the most they could show us on the state level but the fewest section games remaining.
6A
Alexandria (4-0)
Little Falls (2-1)
Fergus Falls (2-1)
Wilmar (1-3)
Prairie Center Area (0-2)
Sartell-St Stephen (0-3)
I added a couple teams because of what people last week said; Alexandria still is undefeated in the section although their 4 wins are all by 1 goal, including over Little Falls in OT. All of Little Falls losses are by one goal, 3 have been in OT, and they have won the last 6 in a row; with their schedule the Flies could lose less than 3 more games this season. The top seed will likely come down to when Alex travels to Little Falls at the end of January.
Class A Rankings 1-8-12
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You should look at 6A again, Apollo beat Alexandria 3-2 a few weeks ago so Alex should be 3-1 in 6A play I believe and a team you need to add to your 6A list is St Cloud Apollo, they have beaten Alexandria, Prairie Center, Morris/Benson, Breckenridge who are section teams but at the same time losing to LIttle Falls and Fergus Falls who are also 6A teams, so Apollo is 4-2 in 6A action and should be a top 4 team for sure at this point, paying Willmar ans Sartell can definately help Apollo this week. Just a correction and something for you to watch in 6A. Good rankings though!
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As stated last week, the record stated is how well they did against the teams listed. This is because you can look at just section records and think a midsection team is really good because they played only lower teams in the section. Alex is 4-0 against the teams listed. I personally don't think Apollo is in the discussion, so they aren't listed. There are teams currently listed that most likely will not be next week. There is a lot of parody in this section at the moment; it appears as though Little Falls will end up taking over, but at the moment Alexandria should be controlling their own destiny.GordonBombay99 wrote:You should look at 6A again, Apollo beat Alexandria 3-2 a few weeks ago so Alex should be 3-1 in 6A play I believe and a team you need to add to your 6A list is St Cloud Apollo, they have beaten Alexandria, Prairie Center, Morris/Benson, Breckenridge who are section teams but at the same time losing to LIttle Falls and Fergus Falls who are also 6A teams, so Apollo is 4-2 in 6A action and should be a top 4 team for sure at this point, paying Willmar ans Sartell can definately help Apollo this week. Just a correction and something for you to watch in 6A. Good rankings though!
Most sections (including these) haven't played enough games to get a great picture yet. I have ranked thus far the sections that don't have any teams in my top 15. In the coming weeks once teams start playing more teams in their section, I will be ranking more.scarlethockey33 wrote:Good rankings as usual! Real tough to rank outside of maybe the top 7-8, just a curious question and I'm not really sure if you've been asked this before, but you only have 3A and 6A included for section standings, why?
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Im curious as to why you dont think Apollo should be included in the list of those teams in 6A? They are the only one to beat Alexandria and they also beat Prairie Center, and Sartell has only won 1 game and that was against a non-section team.HShockeywatcher wrote:As stated last week, the record stated is how well they did against the teams listed. This is because you can look at just section records and think a midsection team is really good because they played only lower teams in the section. Alex is 4-0 against the teams listed. I personally don't think Apollo is in the discussion, so they aren't listed. There are teams currently listed that most likely will not be next week. There is a lot of parody in this section at the moment; it appears as though Little Falls will end up taking over, but at the moment Alexandria should be controlling their own destiny.GordonBombay99 wrote:You should look at 6A again, Apollo beat Alexandria 3-2 a few weeks ago so Alex should be 3-1 in 6A play I believe and a team you need to add to your 6A list is St Cloud Apollo, they have beaten Alexandria, Prairie Center, Morris/Benson, Breckenridge who are section teams but at the same time losing to LIttle Falls and Fergus Falls who are also 6A teams, so Apollo is 4-2 in 6A action and should be a top 4 team for sure at this point, paying Willmar ans Sartell can definately help Apollo this week. Just a correction and something for you to watch in 6A. Good rankings though!
Most sections (including these) haven't played enough games to get a great picture yet. I have ranked thus far the sections that don't have any teams in my top 15. In the coming weeks once teams start playing more teams in their section, I will be ranking more.scarlethockey33 wrote:Good rankings as usual! Real tough to rank outside of maybe the top 7-8, just a curious question and I'm not really sure if you've been asked this before, but you only have 3A and 6A included for section standings, why?
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Just a quick correction on Little Falls record against your section list. They have 3 wins versus the listed teams in the Section 6a...4-2 over Fergus Falls, 3-1 over Willmar, and 6-0 over Prairie Centre. LF also beat Apollo 3-0 which is a top 4 team in the section. My top four to date:
Litlle Falls
Alexandria
Fergus Falls
Apollo
Litlle Falls
Alexandria
Fergus Falls
Apollo
Thing is, Apollo high beat the tentative top team according to hshw. And they beat another listed team. By reason, Apollo is in the top 4. Thing about 6 this year is that none of the teams are likely to get much press due to a lack of consistency to this point. Interesting to me anyway. There are more than one disappointment in this area so far.
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Thank you, im glad you see that Apollo should be in the top 4 at this point, I dont see how Apollo isnt a top 4 team in 6A considering the teams they have beaten and how close they played Little Falls and Fergus Falls, its a toss up between those teams and Alex too for the top seed and no one has run away with it yet.defense wrote:Thing is, Apollo high beat the tentative top team according to hshw. And they beat another listed team. By reason, Apollo is in the top 4. Thing about 6 this year is that none of the teams are likely to get much press due to a lack of consistency to this point. Interesting to me anyway. There are more than one disappointment in this area so far.
Such an interesting PARITY in the state beyond Hermantown. Results from the first team that the top 3 have played, 4th ranked Duluth Marshall: St. Thomas needed OT to win 4-3. Breck won 7-5 but allowed 5 goals. Hermantown handled Marshall 5-1, scored 5 goals from 5 different players, and shut out the states 3rd leading player in points. Hub now has Hermantown at #2. lol
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I think Hermantown had their hands full. A disallowed goal (that was a goal) changed this game and it surely could have been alot closer than 5-1. I have seen the top 3 play. They all have 3 solid lines and decent Defense and all 3 desreve to be in the top 3. I would say Breck is #1, Hermantown #2 and STA #3, but it really doesnt matter. They are all three the best 3 teams in A. Marshall has not been beat by anyone below them and played with the 3 teams above them and deserve the #4 spot until someone below knocks them out.
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The consencus on the site is that the team who outshoots the other is the one who dominated the other. Based on that, Hermantown got dominatedpekyman wrote:Such an interesting PARITY in the state beyond Hermantown. Results from the first team that the top 3 have played, 4th ranked Duluth Marshall: St. Thomas needed OT to win 4-3. Breck won 7-5 but allowed 5 goals. Hermantown handled Marshall 5-1, scored 5 goals from 5 different players, and shut out the states 3rd leading player in points. Hub now has Hermantown at #2. lol
So yeah, shots aren't as big of a deal as people seem to make them out to be. You are right, there is a lot of parity, but I would include Marshall in that group, simply with no argument of where they fall in that group. It is also hard to say here are three scores against a common opponent; the one with the better margin is obviously better.
I could also say that St Thomas is the only team this year to lose to East by 1 and one of two teams to outshoot them. If East is #1 in the state, St Thomas is obviously #2, right? Wrong. The stats of one game beyond the W/L in one game is very difficult to extrapolate that to rank a team. Which is why EGF is so hard to rank. [/i]
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Embarrassed eye am. Guess that's what happens ewe assume things.TTpuckster wrote:Watcher:
Thanks for the nice job on the rankings each weak:
Just wanted to clear up won thing:
In the rankings above, you said:
The Green Wave play two more ND teams this week
Knot sew!!!
Won of the games is against Red Lake Falls, a Minnesota Section Ate Opponent.
Just wanted to let ewe no.
Thanks
Where do people think the Green Wave should bee? They beat TG bye a better ratio of goals than the Hawks did, so for those who think the Hawks should bee higher, the Green could have eh good claim two bee as well. Thoughts on EGF?
Nice try watcher! Just had to get the Herm dig in there. It was:HShockeywatcher wrote: Where do people think the Green Wave should bee? They beat TG bye a better ratio of goals than the Hawks did, so for those who think the Hawks should bee higher, the Green could have eh good claim two bee as well. Thoughts on EGF?
Herm 7
TG 3
TG no shots on goal in 1 period - zero. Puck only out of the TG zone by icing. By the 3rd period herm had their Hawk mascott on the ice.
EGF 7
TG 2
1 goal difference. Go ahead and make that case.
How about this:
Herm 11
Crookston 1
Coach will not allow over 10 goal spread or would have been higher.
EGF 3
Crookston 0
Marshall 3
Crookston 2
A stronger case can be made that EGF /Marshall / STA very close.
My opinion: All 3 teams are below Breck and Herm.
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Every listing I've seen has it aspekyman wrote: EGF 7
TG 2
A stronger case can be made that EGF /Marshall / STA very close.
My opinion: All 3 teams are below Breck and Herm.
EGF 5
TG 2
Which is a smaller margin, but slightly larger ratio of goals.
I don't have an opinion which is why I'm asking, but they could very well be a top 2 or 3 team; their schedule makes it very hard to determine.
FTP has EGF ahead of DM.
I agree that if you compare the scores of one common opponent (and ignore SOG, which people here seem to love when it helps them) St Thomas is on the short end of the stick, even though they all won the game. But if you look at other games they've played, it really hard to draw that conclusion based on the stats.
Just my opinion though.
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