Single Season AA Points Record

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:22 am

I was thinking about this the other day and was wondering if anyone knew who hold the single season points record for a AA club? I know Spehar from DE put up 102 his junior year but is that tops? The reason I was wondering is because Justin Kloos is sitting at 41pts through 12 games (averaging 3.42/game). It looks like they have 13 regular season games left, almost for sure 3 sectional games, and if they make it to state thats 18-19 games remaining. If he stays on his current pace than he would be right up there. I know that is a lot of hypotheticals but something fun to think about and watch if 102 is the bench mark for AA.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:31 am

Is the record kept as a regular season record separate from the post season or are they handled together?

BBgunner · Post by **BBgunner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:54 am

according to MSHSL
Individual season Points is 111 61 goals, 50 assists set by Scott Lecy of Rochester John Marshall but is lacking a date.
I know Benik set a record 2 years ago but not sure on if it was points or just goals and I believe St Francis is a single A school.

Geno Snipes · Post by **Geno Snipes** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:26 pm

St. Francis is in 7AA now. Not sure what they were in when Benik played.

Post by **east hockey** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Geno Snipes wrote:St. Francis is in 7AA now. Not sure what they were in when Benik played.

They were in 7AA when Benik played.

Lee

Post by **karl(east)** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:34 pm

St. Francis has been AA for a while now, but the Hub has Benik at 90 points his senior year. I think Spehar's record holds.

To answer HSHW's question, these records do not distinguish between regular season and playoffs.

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:49 pm

BBgunner- it would be interesting to know when Lecy played because I think they split from one class to A and AA in 1992 or 1993. I remember Scott Thauwald (sp?) from Mayo had quite a few points as well about 10 years ago but I believe Spehar has the record from when they split to two classes. Would love to see Justin challenge that record!

BBgunner · Post by **BBgunner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:52 pm

From Hockeydb Scott Lecy played for University of WI 1977-81 so he would have been the points leader with only one class of hockey then. Does that hold more weight than Spehar with fewer points and 2 classes?

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Well not necessarily more weight but it was little different back then. I was just wondering about the current AA record just because the AA teams typically face stiffer competition night in and night out these days (especially metro teams) and so I personally put a little more weight on the AA record than the single A but I'm not saying there aren't great players in single A because there definitely is and has been.. 100 points against AA competition is just much more impressive to me... one guys opinion

BBgunner · Post by **BBgunner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:45 pm

I cannot argue that point. I do think the "good Ole days" of one class did produce some unbalanced competition. Back then conferences were really based on location and not necessarily size like they are today. They also played fewer games if I remember correctly.
Lets hope the record falls, I love a good story of a kid breaking a record.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:00 pm

Scott and Todd Lecy, Scott Lynch, Brotens, all played six or seven games less than they do now. Take that into consideration as well.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:01 pm

old goalie85 wrote:Scott and Todd Lecy, Scott Lynch, Brotens, all played six or seven games less than they do now. Take that into consideration as well.

And 15 minute periods too, didn't they?

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:09 pm

very true.. two total different eras and thats why its tough to compare. Kloos won't challenge for the all time record but current AA record he may have a chance at.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:34 pm

RickyTicky wrote:very true.. two total different eras and thats why its tough to compare. Kloos won't challenge for the all time record but current AA record he may have a chance at.

He has a good shot as long as he stays healthy and they get out of 1AA and he gets a few tourney games.

Probably wouldn't hurt his chances if they got Kennedy on the schedule twice in the SSC instead of Eagan or Burnsville

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:54 pm

Probably wouldn't hurt his chances if they got Kennedy on the schedule twice in the SSC instead of Eagan or Burnsville

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Or Jefferson (sorry Sats - couldn't help it - been a long time since anyone could take a shot at them)

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:08 pm

Yeah, LS does have some tough game left on the schedule with EP, Hill Murray, Eagan and 2 against Burnsville but also a couple they "should" win easy like Kennedy, Jefferson, Rosemount, Eastview and the 1st 2 games of sections.. It will be interesting!

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:13 pm

Also, watching him get doubled and triple teamed and getting "gooned up" by weaker teams that are just trying to hurt him on a nightly basis; the kid always gets right back up.. it's amazing to me sometimes how he can take these cheap shots. He is one of the most durable and toughest players I have watched. I think baring a major injury he should finish out the season

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:20 pm

1977 Rochester John Marshall schedule:

10-4 Hastings
8-0 Owatonna
7-3 Albert Lea
10-0 Austin
10-0 Simley
1-7 Sibley
4-3 Cooper
6-0 Armstrong
6-2 Alexander Ramsey
5-2 Farmington
7-3 Mayo
11-5 Edison
7-6 Albet Lea
9-2 Apple Valley
12-1 Rosemount
10-0 Austin
4-5 Hill Murray
12-2 Owatonna
5-2 Mayo
6-2 Mpls West
7-0 Farmington

Section 1:
11-2 Mayo
6-4 Burnsville
7-3 Jefferson

State:
4-1 Mpls Southwest
1-0 So. St. Paul
4-2 Edina East

Scott Lecy W(12): 61 goals, 51 assissts, 112 points, 15 penalty minutes
Bruce Aikens W(11): 44 goals, 41 assissts, 85 points, 28 penalty minutes
Jeff Teal C(11): 26 goals, 18 assissts, 44 points, 0 penalty minutes
Paul Brandrup D (11) 7 goals, 33 assissts, 40 points, 21 penalty minutes
Jeff Nelson D (11) 2 goals, 34 assissts, 36 points, 60 penalty minutes

7 kids went on to play in the WCHA; Scott Lecy went to Wisconsin, Bruce Aikens went to Colorado College, Jeff Teal went to Minnesota, Paul Brandup went to Michigan, Jeff Nelson went to Michigan Tech, Todd Lecy went to Wisconsin, and Paul Butters went to Minnesota.

Easy schedule or not that was one talented team.

BBgunner · Post by **BBgunner** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:48 am

Great research, great team and great post!

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:17 am

I think Ikola called the east team they beat his best ever. Not sure but I think there were 12 D1 players on the Hornets roster. People forget they were undefeated going into the state final. As I recall Butters stood on his head and the Lacy boys got behind Edina a time or two too many.

As for the scoring record I'd say that Besse is in a much better position to put up a big number. Benilde now gets into the meat of their conference schedule and the way they like to run it up he could easily surpass 100.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:36 am

RickyTicky wrote:Also, watching him get doubled and triple teamed and getting "gooned up" by weaker teams that are just trying to hurt him on a nightly basis; the kid always gets right back up.. it's amazing to me sometimes how he can take these cheap shots. He is one of the most durable and toughest players I have watched. I think baring a major injury he should finish out the season

That is in my opinion his most impressive attribute, kids tough as hell and isn't afraid to throw his body around if he has to. The fact that there is a huge target on his back and he continues to produce the numbers he is putting up against fairly solid competition in the SSC is mind boggling. I tend to side with keepyourheadup though as I wouldnt be shocked if Besse put up 100+pts and ends up beating Kloos in a scoring race based on the fact that BSM's remaining schedule softens up and Pauly isn't afraid to keep his 1st powerplay unit late in a 10-1 game!

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:43 am

Neuuman wrote:Probably wouldn't hurt his chances if they got Kennedy on the schedule twice in the SSC instead of Eagan or Burnsville

Or Jefferson (sorry Sats - couldn't help it - been a long time since anyone could take a shot at them)

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I have no allegiance to the Jags! They will never be the same though. Population has died there and the ones who do move to Bloomington now tend to stay closer to the east side of town if you know what I mean

It's sad what has happened to that program. I have some very close friends who were part of that dynasty and still have the connections to the people who were instrumental in building that program. Always an interesting take to hear their perspective...(and to where the balance of power is now shifting and will be in the next few years in the metro area)

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:47 pm

I think it will be close.. I watched Besse play against Burnsville, he has great vision and is great playmaker and Benildes schedule is more favorable than LS. However, sections will be much tougher for Benilde and I think LS has a much greater chance of making it to state which would add 2-3 more games to their schedule. At any rate, I hope Benilde's coach does let 3rd and 4th line kids play and sits their top player once the game is well with in hand. There is no reason to have the top line out in a 10+ goal game other than to rack up easy stats.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:35 pm

Sats81 wrote:Pauly isn't afraid to keep his 1st powerplay unit late in a 10-1 game!

I've always hated when ANY coach pulls that crap.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:11 pm

No disrespect to Grant, a fine player and a great kid, but Pauley had him on the rink for points on the 11th and 13th goals against SLP. You will see more of this. It was 10-0 after two.