Questions from someone down south.

ganderif · Post by **ganderif** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:07 am

Why do I keep hearing that the Minnesota state tournament is that highest attended high school sporting tournament? As someone that lives in texas I can completely verify that football games here are the highest attended. We have regular season games that have 30k+ and the state championships are usually around 65k. Besides the point, I still think Minnesota hockey is pretty cool. Closest thing I have is the Houston Aeros...

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:45 am

Who said it was the most attended? I think I heard over last weekend that it was the third largest high school sporting weekend.

gopherpuck516 · Post by **gopherpuck516** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:03 am

I've actually read before that in total attendence the MN State Hockey Tournament is actually the largest HS tournament in the nation. I belive in total there's 22 games played over 4 days, a lot of them (the class AA winners' bracket games) with an attendance in the 18,000-19,000+ range. Regardless of which tournament has higher attendence it's been said thousands of times that the MN HS Hockey Tournament is the mother of all HS hockey tournaments just like the Texas HS football tournament is to HS football. Sports Illustrated has done a couple articles over the years on the MN HS Hockey Tourney. Here's a link to a more recent one:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazi ... ota/story/

Here's an older article from SI:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Both very good reads for any MN High School Hockey fan if you've never read them before.

hshockeyfan8 · Post by **hshockeyfan8** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:37 am

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Another great article. Although it doesn't really talk about the history, it talks about how much it means to the players.

ganderif · Post by **ganderif** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:46 am

In Texas, in the championship games, if you buy a ticket you can go to all the games on that day. So the attendances for each day were:

3A D1 Game
22,748

1A D1, 1A D2, and 2A D1 games
24,530

2A D2, 3A D2, and 4A D1 games
59,949

4A D2, 5A D1, and 5A D2 games
101,283

Here's the school participating and their distance from cowboys stadium.

Southlake Carroll 21 miles
Aledo 33 miles
Argyle 33 miles
Alvarado 41 miles
Melissa 57 miles
Waco Midway 110 miles
Cisco 120 miles
Chapel Hill 126 miles
Munday 173 miles
Stamford 190 miles
Tenaha 195 miles
Lake Travis 210 miles
Mason 219 miles
Hempstead 227 miles
Dekaney 238 miles
Wimberley 239 miles
Cibolo Steele 262 miles
Hightower 277 miles
Manvel 278 miles
Refugio 354 miles

RangeHockeyFan1817 · Post by **RangeHockeyFan1817** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:27 pm

ganderif wrote:In Texas, in the championship games, if you buy a ticket you can go to all the games on that day. So the attendances for each day were:

3A D1 Game
22,748

1A D1, 1A D2, and 2A D1 games
24,530

2A D2, 3A D2, and 4A D1 games
59,949

4A D2, 5A D1, and 5A D2 games
101,283

Here's the school participating and their distance from cowboys stadium.

Southlake Carroll 21 miles
Aledo 33 miles
Argyle 33 miles
Alvarado 41 miles
Melissa 57 miles
Waco Midway 110 miles
Cisco 120 miles
Chapel Hill 126 miles
Munday 173 miles
Stamford 190 miles
Tenaha 195 miles
Lake Travis 210 miles
Mason 219 miles
Hempstead 227 miles
Dekaney 238 miles
Wimberley 239 miles
Cibolo Steele 262 miles
Hightower 277 miles
Manvel 278 miles
Refugio 354 miles

Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective

ganderif · Post by **ganderif** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:04 pm

RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote: Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective

Purpose was to give people the facts. The traveling distance for the schools is also five times larger and if I included attendance at semi and quarter final games like you guys do it would be easily 10 times larger.

RangeHockeyFan1817 · Post by **RangeHockeyFan1817** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:12 pm

ganderif wrote:
RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote: Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective
Purpose was to give people the facts. The traveling distance for the schools is also five times larger and if I included attendance at semi and quarter final games like you guys do it would be easily 10 times larger.

From what you listed, travel time isn't that much different. From International falls to the Xcel Center is over 300 miles, from Warroad it is 371 miles, Roseau 361 miles, ect. And I didn't add semi and quarter finals to the final attendance; I said On ANY GIVEN DAY that is what it is for the four games that day. Meaning Total attendance for the entire four days would be around 100,000-140,000. Also just giving out the facts.

Jimbo99 · Post by **Jimbo99** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:54 pm

RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote:
ganderif wrote:
RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote: Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective
Purpose was to give people the facts. The traveling distance for the schools is also five times larger and if I included attendance at semi and quarter final games like you guys do it would be easily 10 times larger.
From what you listed, travel time isn't that much different. From International falls to the Xcel Center is over 300 miles, from Warroad it is 371 miles, Roseau 361 miles, ect. And I didn't add semi and quarter finals to the final attendance; I said On ANY GIVEN DAY that is what it is for the four games that day. Meaning Total attendance for the entire four days would be around 100,000-140,000. Also just giving out the facts.

Just let it go. Everyone in Texas has been pissed ever since we bought Alaska.

green4 · Post by **green4** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:23 pm

ganderif wrote:
RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote: Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective
Purpose was to give people the facts. The traveling distance for the schools is also five times larger and if I included attendance at semi and quarter final games like you guys do it would be easily 10 times larger.

not to mention hard to compete with a football stadium when it can hold up to 60,000-100,000 while a hockey rink is like 18,000 to 20,000

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:31 pm

Who cares?

brandy38 · Post by **brandy38** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:09 am

Leave it to someone from Texas to show up out of the blue and try to impose his superiority complex on everyone else. People like Ganderif with all of their matter-of-fact attempts to prove themselves right and look better than everyone else drive me nuts.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:17 am

green4 wrote:
ganderif wrote:
RangeHockeyFan1817 wrote: Well that is all fine and dandy, and I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the football state tournys in Texas are huge. However, a few things to consider:

Population of Texas: 25.9 Million
Population of Minnesota: 5.3 Million

If we were to combine attendance to all the games in a day (they are split into two sessions currently) attendance would be between 24,000-30,000 on any given day of the 4 day tournament. (this year the morning session averaged 5-6 thousand and evening session was 18-19.3 thousand)

So yes overall attendance is higher, but I would certainly think so in a state FIVE TIMES BIGGER lol. Not really sure what the point of this thread was but thought I'd give it a little perspective
Purpose was to give people the facts. The traveling distance for the schools is also five times larger and if I included attendance at semi and quarter final games like you guys do it would be easily 10 times larger.
not to mention hard to compete with a football stadium when it can hold up to 60,000-100,000 while a hockey rink is like 18,000 to 20,000

Is it apples to apples? No.
Is it apples to oranges? Eh...

If you've never seen a rivalry tx HS football game, it is a sight to see. Many bring in many more people than the MN 5A championship game.

If the hockey games were played at a venue like the dome with more seating and there was no tv coverage, could it compete with football? I'd like to say "easily."

Oh well...you both win.

Tornadoes 2003StateChamps · Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:14 am

This salsa is made in New York City? I wish we could draw bigger crowds to our football games. Instead, all we get are these "want a be" gang bangers to just hang outside the entrance gate looking for trouble and begging the girls to buy them something from the concession stand. That's the only good thing about hockey is that the "want a be's" don't like the cold temp's and there are doors on the buildings so you look like a total loser hanging outside a building while the girls are inside wrapped up in a blanket.

oldschoolpuckster · Post by **oldschoolpuckster** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:57 am

Texas sucks.....

cclavin · Post by **cclavin** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:37 pm

“If I owned Hell and Texas I would rent out Texas and live in Hell”

ganderif · Post by **ganderif** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:47 pm

Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote: Instead, all we get are these "want a be" gang bangers to just hang outside the entrance gate looking for trouble and begging the girls to buy them something from the concession stand.

???

Post by **east hockey** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:58 pm

O-town is right.

Lee