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lkool
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Playing outside of your association

Post by lkool »

What is the cutoff date for requesting a waiver to play in a different association? I am curious because my son's association looks like they will probably be cutting a solid 13+ kids. If that happens it would be nice to be able to move him to another association, if possible.
observer
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Post by observer »

Never heard of a youth association cutting kids. That's revenue.

Sometimes there are an odd number of kids, at any one level, but it usually means using some natural splits and some teams carry more players than others. Teams carry between 15 and 20 skaters. Extra players usually fall to the lower levels where attendance may not be as good. The norm is after forming the appropriate level teams any remaining players would be co-oped with a neighboring association to form another C team. It's rare for any association to have exactly the "right" number of players but with little bits of roster size juggling they usually make it work without sending anyone to a neighboring association. Happens more often with girls than boys.
NE14HKY
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Re: Playing outside of your association

Post by NE14HKY »

lkool wrote:What is the cutoff date for requesting a waiver to play in a different association? I am curious because my son's association looks like they will probably be cutting a solid 13+ kids. If that happens it would be nice to be able to move him to another association, if possible.

Not sure on a cutoff date, but are these "13+ cut", are
they all in the same age level? If they are... 13 seems
to me to be a perfect number for a whole 'nother team.

Of course if they are different ages, that goes out the door. :?
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Post by elliott70 »

What association is cutting kids?

That is not acceptable.
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Post by old goalie85 »

What are you short a goalie ?? Call another assc. Have each kid take their turns. Our squirt teams only carry 12-13-14 kids. Older kids depend.
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Post by the_juiceman »

elliott70 wrote:What association is cutting kids?

That is not acceptable.
Andover cut at bantam level last year.. 5 players I believe. 3 waivered out to CR. From what I understand they asked for waiver this year to stay in CR and were denied by Andover.
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Post by elliott70 »

the_juiceman wrote:
elliott70 wrote:What association is cutting kids?

That is not acceptable.
Andover cut at bantam level last year.. 5 players I believe. 3 waivered out to CR. From what I understand they asked for waiver this year to stay in CR and were denied by Andover.
Not good...
file a grievance....
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Post by SCBlueLiner »

the_juiceman wrote:
elliott70 wrote:What association is cutting kids?

That is not acceptable.
Andover cut at bantam level last year.. 5 players I believe. 3 waivered out to CR. From what I understand they asked for waiver this year to stay in CR and were denied by Andover.
That's just stupid. So do these kids need to reapply for their waiver each year? It should be they waiver out once and once they are gone they are now a part of the new association. It would make associations think twice about cutting kids and losing them forever, maybe force them to manage their own association.
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Post by the_juiceman »

SCBlueLiner wrote:
the_juiceman wrote:
elliott70 wrote:What association is cutting kids?

That is not acceptable.
Andover cut at bantam level last year.. 5 players I believe. 3 waivered out to CR. From what I understand they asked for waiver this year to stay in CR and were denied by Andover.
That's just stupid. So do these kids need to reapply for their waiver each year? It should be they waiver out once and once they are gone they are now a part of the new association. It would make associations think twice about cutting kids and losing them forever, maybe force them to manage their own association.
The way I understand it, all waivers are for 1 year...at least in D10
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Post by elliott70 »

the_juiceman wrote:
SCBlueLiner wrote:
the_juiceman wrote: Andover cut at bantam level last year.. 5 players I believe. 3 waivered out to CR. From what I understand they asked for waiver this year to stay in CR and were denied by Andover.
That's just stupid. So do these kids need to reapply for their waiver each year? It should be they waiver out once and once they are gone they are now a part of the new association. It would make associations think twice about cutting kids and losing them forever, maybe force them to manage their own association.
The way I understand it, all waivers are for 1 year...at least in D10
1 year waivers, reapply every year...
BadgerBob82
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Post by BadgerBob82 »

Original post was not very detailed.

IF he meant 13+ "solid players" are going to be cut from the "A" team and placed at the "B" level and my kid could be one of them. So, if my kid gets cut from "A" team, can I waiver him out to another association to see if he can make their "A" team? Then no waiver needed, play "B's"

IF he meant, a solid 13+ players are going to be cut from this association and will have no place to play hockey unless we can waiver to another association? I would agree that the association MUST field a team for these players and not make them chose figure skating instead of hockey.

I have no clue if this is what he meant.
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Post by SCBlueLiner »

I was referring to Andover cutting 5 kids, 3 waivered out. After a year they waivered again to go back to the previous year's association and Andover blocked them.

My take is Andover released these kids. They shouldn't have the right to keep them when they need them but cut them loose when their numbers are good. They should be forced to manage their numbers, place the kids on a team, and develop them. Not yo-yo them back and forth when it suits their interests.

Of course I don't know the whole story so I am just commenting on what little info I have here.
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Post by BadgerBob82 »

Take care of your membership. That's the mission statement of each association? Waivers are one year contract.

Example: If hired on a one year contract. Does employer have to keep hiring you back year after year since they hired you in year 1? Or can they only hire you when they have a need?
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Post by observer »

The first step is to register with your community association.
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