South Side North Girls

OrangeKoolaid · Post by **OrangeKoolaid** » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:29 pm

Getting back to the LVN HS girls program and hopefully it doesn't get shut down again ...... The coach is a great coach! Lets just say that it's no surprise that the parent of the girls that left has a large ego (allegedly). I feel bad for the senior girl because I'm not sure where she will be able to go. Also, do you think a D1 coach is going to want to deal with the alleged ego? The coach has been dealing with this problem for a long time and its really too bad!

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:08 am

Dear Hardwater and those who wanted the thread locked...

This site is filled with rumors, judgement, and callousness toward many young athletes. Asking for information is pretty typical and benign.

Go read every post I've ever written. I've never said a bad word about ANY athlete. Never will. But the politics and behind the scenes info is completely relevant.

And FYI, already knew the names before I posted. Just looking for the other side of the story. I feel badly for the players and the team.

HW has called out a number of players here (Duluth to Cloquet transfer for example.) Just because you didn't name names doesn't mean we didn't know who you were speaking about. I DON'T DO THAT.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:03 am

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote: This site is filled with rumors, judgement, and callousness toward many young athletes. Asking for information is pretty typical and benign.

While I can not disagree with your statement I can say that going back the last 5 or 6 years that I have read this forum, the girls side has been pretty good about shutting down discussions that reference specific individual players (even if names are not used with enough detail you name names without naming names) in a negative light.

I know that most people slow down to look at the scene of an accident and CNN proved more people will click a link for a Kardashien (sp?) story then an important election one. Everyone has a team that they dislike because they beat your team at some point (probably unfairly) or a player who took your daughters spot on some team or camp but to hide behind an anonymous moniker and grind those axes on teenagers just kind of stinks. I know of a family of a boys hs player who is a very frequent target of the boys hs and youth forum, as much as they would like to just ignore it most of what is said gets back to them in one way or another. Tough thing for a family to take. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, there is just no reason to drag the girls forum down to that. There are plenty of places on the internet for nastiness and salacious posting.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:22 am

Completely agree.
I am pretty new here, and I've NEVER said anything negative or salacious about a player. I've never named names, but I have asked. Never a situation or team or player I knew personally.
All I have posted led from posts I read here. Both in content and form.

I apologize if anyone was hurt or offended by my questions. I will never again try to get the other side of the story on this board.

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:48 am

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I find this amusing as the Lakeville North roster on Hockey Hub now has two players named "name name"

I do kind of agree with NTMH, if 2 players apparently quit or were kicked off a State Tournament contending team, I think that's news and worthy of discussion. Unfortunately, the discussion here usually turns into speculation and slander. So I also agree with the others.

Either way, I wish my daughter's team could lose 2 top players and beat Hill Murray.

panpan111 · Post by **panpan111** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:47 am

Let's get it right...we are using "Top" or "Elite" players pretty loosely here. Younger player quit last year, then returned this year, to quit again. Sounds like the older sister doesn't understand its a team game & the coaching staff did what it had to do for the program! Don't hear any outcry from parents of the team...usually a good indicator. A coach with a set...nice to hear!
Good luck with your season LN...

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:54 am

The facts are that this is a situation here where adults acted in a way that had rare and wide sweeping effects on a family and a team and a hockey community. We have all seen something similar but maybe not to this extreme. It is a sad story with a lesson to be learned by all. I would like to think we all feel that ALL children affected by these or similar events are innocent victims.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:26 am

I would classify a D1 committed player as both "top" and "elite"

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:46 pm

I would as well. What would "elite" be in Girls hockey ???

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm

Oh Never...take an Amberen. I've never "called out" any players. If what you were referring to was me using an example of a player transferring High Schools as a Senior years ago, and who is now an adult, and even agreeing (in part) with that families decision- that's a far stretch from you putting in print that you wanted names. That subject wasn't about individuals, it was about the MSHL rule on transferring. I'll cut you a little slack being that you are new and are still learning the ropes...but I still find your salacious need for names, well, let's just say a bit odd. Aren't you the same one who wrote a prediction for your underclassman daughter and freshman teammates- that they would outpoint the seniors on her team- including one of the best players in the north? Then erased the post?! LOL!

Give it a rest- you're digging a hole.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:10 pm

My daughter is in 5th grade. Not quite ready for varsity.

And I still say the freshman who came over from Marshall is almost as good as their senior. IMHO.

The only name I ever asked for was the HM transfer. And your Duluth to Cloquet transfer example clearly showed your negative judgement of the family. Everyone here knew who it was despite not "naming" him. I've never singled out anyone like that or been negative in any way.

I'm sure glad you are keeping such good track of my posts. I deleted a few early on when it seemed like I was Marshall affiliated. Had to distance myself from the shame.

Gotta go take an "amberen" now. Huh?

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:11 pm

"Everyone here..."? LOL! I think you are slightly over-exaggerating the interest people have in Duluth players from years ago. Maybe I'm wrong though. Wouldn't be the first or last time

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:16 pm

I guess I assumed everyone knew, since I know nothing about Duluth hockey five years ago but even I knew your player.
So we are both wrong. Finally we agree!

Say if I move to Duluth can you get my 5th grader on varsity?

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:52 pm

A 9th grader is better than a senior that has committed to playing on UMD next year? Two sports no less? I' ll have a hard time taking anything you say seriously from this point forward. Rediculous statement .

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:08 am

pepperpot wrote:A 9th grader is better than a senior that has committed to playing on UMD next year? Two sports no less? I' ll have a hard time taking anything you say seriously from this point forward. Rediculous statement .

I am not taking sides in this one...however, don't confuse "committed" with "playing". I can think of several girls that are "committed" that won't see the ice. Also, committed does not = scholarship all the time. But, for what it is worth, I know a ninth grader that is better right now than a girl that is "committed" on her team from a team right down here in the cities.

With that said Dr Pepper, generally you are correct!

Bullgod · Post by **Bullgod** » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:45 pm

Just curious, maybe nobody will want to answer.
Did the Sr. in question find a place to play? Thoroughbreds or a private?

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:15 am

36Guy wrote:
pepperpot wrote:A 9th grader is better than a senior that has committed to playing on UMD next year? Two sports no less? I' ll have a hard time taking anything you say seriously from this point forward. Rediculous statement .
I am not taking sides in this one...however, don't confuse "committed" with "playing". I can think of several girls that are "committed" that won't see the ice. Also, committed does not = scholarship all the time. But, for what it is worth, I know a ninth grader that is better right now than a girl that is "committed" on her team from a team right down here in the cities.

With that said Dr Pepper, generally you are correct!

Committed can only mean D1. D1 committed means someone thinks you are better than most, whether you "see time" or not. You have absolutely no way of knowing who will "see the ice" and who will not. A walk on at UMD is better than many, many players. Trust me. Can a ninth grader be better than a "committed" senior? I suppose they can be, but they are very few and far between. I hope things work out for you the way you hope they will, and that your daughter can survive it.

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:52 am

SECoach wrote:
36Guy wrote:
pepperpot wrote:A 9th grader is better than a senior that has committed to playing on UMD next year? Two sports no less? I' ll have a hard time taking anything you say seriously from this point forward. Rediculous statement .
I am not taking sides in this one...however, don't confuse "committed" with "playing". I can think of several girls that are "committed" that won't see the ice. Also, committed does not = scholarship all the time. But, for what it is worth, I know a ninth grader that is better right now than a girl that is "committed" on her team from a team right down here in the cities.

With that said Dr Pepper, generally you are correct!
Committed can only mean D1. D1 committed means someone thinks you are better than most, whether you "see time" or not. You have absolutely no way of knowing who will "see the ice" and who will not. A walk on at UMD is better than many, many players. Trust me. Can a ninth grader be better than a "committed" senior? I suppose they can be, but they are very few and far between. I hope things work out for you the way you hope they will, and that your daughter can survive it.

I agree it is rare that with a ninth grader is better. As far as having no idea about playing time, I appreciate you reminding me that your opinion carries more weight than mine. Perhaps I can "private message" you next time and get your approval.

As far as commitments go, I am well aware of what a commitment is. Last I checked all Division 1 hockey teams have 26 locker room stalls. It has been a long time since I been to a game and seen 26 kids play, especially when you can only dress 18. I am not criticizing Minnesota kids, but rather the assumption that a commit has to be an amazing player. I also know of "commits" that can't crack the first line on their team. Again, please don't take this as bashing young girls, but rather an awareness of what playing and getting quality ice time in college actually takes. Some girls see "committing" as the finish line and some girls see "committing" as the starting line!!

Last, my daughter is not in ninth grade and will not have to "survive" anything. She is an addict of the game and will enjoy the game wherever life brings her. Fortunately she does not read our blogs and understands that it is just a game for her to enjoy. PEACE!

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:36 am

36Guy wrote:
SECoach wrote:
36Guy wrote: I am not taking sides in this one...however, don't confuse "committed" with "playing". I can think of several girls that are "committed" that won't see the ice. Also, committed does not = scholarship all the time. But, for what it is worth, I know a ninth grader that is better right now than a girl that is "committed" on her team from a team right down here in the cities.

With that said Dr Pepper, generally you are correct!
Committed can only mean D1. D1 committed means someone thinks you are better than most, whether you "see time" or not. You have absolutely no way of knowing who will "see the ice" and who will not. A walk on at UMD is better than many, many players. Trust me. Can a ninth grader be better than a "committed" senior? I suppose they can be, but they are very few and far between. I hope things work out for you the way you hope they will, and that your daughter can survive it.
I agree it is rare that with a ninth grader is better. As far as having no idea about playing time, I appreciate you reminding me that your opinion carries more weight than mine. Perhaps I can "private message" you next time and get your approval.

As far as commitments go, I am well aware of what a commitment is. Last I checked all Division 1 hockey teams have 26 locker room stalls. It has been a long time since I been to a game and seen 26 kids play, especially when you can only dress 18. I am not criticizing Minnesota kids, but rather the assumption that a commit has to be an amazing player. I also know of "commits" that can't crack the first line on their team. Again, please don't take this as bashing young girls, but rather an awareness of what playing and getting quality ice time in college actually takes. Some girls see "committing" as the finish line and some girls see "committing" as the starting line!!

Last, my daughter is not in ninth grade and will not have to "survive" anything. She is an addict of the game and will enjoy the game wherever life brings her. Fortunately she does not read our blogs and understands that it is just a game for her to enjoy. PEACE!

Please point out where I stated that I do know, and you don't. You nor I know who will get injured, suffer emotional issues, not pan out as planned, and many other reasons why neither of us can know who on a 20 or 30 person D1 roster may or may not "see the ice". I will submit to you that any player on that roster has a better chance of "seeing the ice" than any player not on the roster. 26 players is also not a standard roster size. It varies greatly from one team to the next, so check a few more locker rooms and count the number of stalls.

You certainly do not need to send me a PM to get my permission to post whatever it is you post, and I will offer you the same gratitude.

Oh yes, if you could take another moment and point out where I said your daughter is a 9th grader, that would be nice too. You say you are not bashing the players, I think you are.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:41 am

Bullgod wrote:Just curious, maybe nobody will want to answer.
Did the Sr. in question find a place to play? Thoroughbreds or a private?

Pretty sure this is where the thread started... Hope somebody can and wants to answer.

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:16 pm

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36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:18 pm

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36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:20 pm

SECoach wrote:
36Guy wrote:
SECoach wrote: Committed can only mean D1. D1 committed means someone thinks you are better than most, whether you "see time" or not. You have absolutely no way of knowing who will "see the ice" and who will not. A walk on at UMD is better than many, many players. Trust me. Can a ninth grader be better than a "committed" senior? I suppose they can be, but they are very few and far between. I hope things work out for you the way you hope they will, and that your daughter can survive it.
I agree it is rare that with a ninth grader is better. As far as having no idea about playing time, I appreciate you reminding me that your opinion carries more weight than mine. Perhaps I can "private message" you next time and get your approval.

As far as commitments go, I am well aware of what a commitment is. Last I checked all Division 1 hockey teams have 26 locker room stalls. It has been a long time since I been to a game and seen 26 kids play, especially when you can only dress 18. I am not criticizing Minnesota kids, but rather the assumption that a commit has to be an amazing player. I also know of "commits" that can't crack the first line on their team. Again, please don't take this as bashing young girls, but rather an awareness of what playing and getting quality ice time in college actually takes. Some girls see "committing" as the finish line and some girls see "committing" as the starting line!!

Last, my daughter is not in ninth grade and will not have to "survive" anything. She is an addict of the game and will enjoy the game wherever life brings her. Fortunately she does not read our blogs and understands that it is just a game for her to enjoy. PEACE!
Please point out where I stated that I do know, and you don't. You nor I know who will get injured, suffer emotional issues, not pan out as planned, and many other reasons why neither of us can know who on a 20 or 30 person D1 roster may or may not "see the ice". I will submit to you that any player on that roster has a better chance of "seeing the ice" than any player not on the roster. 26 players is also not a standard roster size. It varies greatly from one team to the next, so check a few more locker rooms and count the number of stalls.

You certainly do not need to send me a PM to get my permission to post whatever it is you post, and I will offer you the same gratitude.

Oh yes, if you could take another moment and point out where I said your daughter is a 9th grader, that would be nice too. You say you are not bashing the players, I think you are.

Ok..last shot, then we will get back to the real world. I have been in 12 D1 locker rooms this year and they all pretty much have 26 kids, not all rostered and not all dressed but an equal part of the team. As far as getting through emotional issues and injuries they are not apart of any consideration for our family. Should they arise, hockey becomes completely irrelevant and moving forward as a healthy emotional and physical child would be formost and we could give a ---- about hockey. Yes, being on a roster gives you a better chance and that is quite the observation by you. I simply stated that a "commit" does not always translate into a D1 player that is heads above a younger player.

Minnesota produces the most D1 players in the country and our depth is unmatched, however, I am not naive enough to think that all will pan out..and yes that includes my daughter. As far as your comment on my daughter, while she is subject to opinion just like anyone. I am not sure why you brought her up? Re: this blog, she is not from LN, nor a commit, nor a 9th grader, nor anything else in the blog? But yes, I hope your daughter "survives" as well.

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:41 pm

36Guy wrote:
SECoach wrote:
36Guy wrote: I agree it is rare that with a ninth grader is better. As far as having no idea about playing time, I appreciate you reminding me that your opinion carries more weight than mine. Perhaps I can "private message" you next time and get your approval.

As far as commitments go, I am well aware of what a commitment is. Last I checked all Division 1 hockey teams have 26 locker room stalls. It has been a long time since I been to a game and seen 26 kids play, especially when you can only dress 18. I am not criticizing Minnesota kids, but rather the assumption that a commit has to be an amazing player. I also know of "commits" that can't crack the first line on their team. Again, please don't take this as bashing young girls, but rather an awareness of what playing and getting quality ice time in college actually takes. Some girls see "committing" as the finish line and some girls see "committing" as the starting line!!

Last, my daughter is not in ninth grade and will not have to "survive" anything. She is an addict of the game and will enjoy the game wherever life brings her. Fortunately she does not read our blogs and understands that it is just a game for her to enjoy. PEACE!
Please point out where I stated that I do know, and you don't. You nor I know who will get injured, suffer emotional issues, not pan out as planned, and many other reasons why neither of us can know who on a 20 or 30 person D1 roster may or may not "see the ice". I will submit to you that any player on that roster has a better chance of "seeing the ice" than any player not on the roster. 26 players is also not a standard roster size. It varies greatly from one team to the next, so check a few more locker rooms and count the number of stalls.

You certainly do not need to send me a PM to get my permission to post whatever it is you post, and I will offer you the same gratitude.

Oh yes, if you could take another moment and point out where I said your daughter is a 9th grader, that would be nice too. You say you are not bashing the players, I think you are.
Ok..last shot, then we will get back to the real world. I have been in 12 D1 locker rooms this year and they all pretty much have 26 kids, not all rostered and not all dressed but an equal part of the team. As far as getting through emotional issues and injuries they are not apart of any consideration for our family. Should they arise, hockey becomes completely irrelevant and moving forward as a healthy emotional and physical child would be formost and we could give a ---- about hockey. Yes, being on a roster gives you a better chance and that is quite the observation by you. I simply stated that a "commit" does not always translate into a D1 player that is heads above a younger player.

Minnesota produces the most D1 players in the country and our depth is unmatched, however, I am not naive enough to think that all will pan out..and yes that includes my daughter. As far as your comment on my daughter, while she is subject to opinion just like anyone. I am not sure why you brought her up? Re: this blog, she is not from LN, nor a commit, nor a 9th grader, nor anything else in the blog? But yes, I hope your daughter "survives" as well.

Thanks for clearing that up???????? Here's a quick random check of D1 rosters.

Princeton-22
Bemidji St-25
MN State Mankato-23
Yale-22
Minnesota-21
Union College-23

If I keep looking I would probably find some rosters with 26 players.

I know I often get off the topic of a thread when I'm really just trying to refute what I believe to be inaccurate information that is being posted. I feel good about moving on now.

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:44 pm

SECoach wrote:
36Guy wrote:
SECoach wrote: Please point out where I stated that I do know, and you don't. You nor I know who will get injured, suffer emotional issues, not pan out as planned, and many other reasons why neither of us can know who on a 20 or 30 person D1 roster may or may not "see the ice". I will submit to you that any player on that roster has a better chance of "seeing the ice" than any player not on the roster. 26 players is also not a standard roster size. It varies greatly from one team to the next, so check a few more locker rooms and count the number of stalls.

You certainly do not need to send me a PM to get my permission to post whatever it is you post, and I will offer you the same gratitude.

Oh yes, if you could take another moment and point out where I said your daughter is a 9th grader, that would be nice too. You say you are not bashing the players, I think you are.
Ok..last shot, then we will get back to the real world. I have been in 12 D1 locker rooms this year and they all pretty much have 26 kids, not all rostered and not all dressed but an equal part of the team. As far as getting through emotional issues and injuries they are not apart of any consideration for our family. Should they arise, hockey becomes completely irrelevant and moving forward as a healthy emotional and physical child would be formost and we could give a ---- about hockey. Yes, being on a roster gives you a better chance and that is quite the observation by you. I simply stated that a "commit" does not always translate into a D1 player that is heads above a younger player.

Minnesota produces the most D1 players in the country and our depth is unmatched, however, I am not naive enough to think that all will pan out..and yes that includes my daughter. As far as your comment on my daughter, while she is subject to opinion just like anyone. I am not sure why you brought her up? Re: this blog, she is not from LN, nor a commit, nor a 9th grader, nor anything else in the blog? But yes, I hope your daughter "survives" as well.
Thanks for cleating that up???????? Here's a quick random check of D1 rosters.

Princeton-22
Bemidji St-25
MN State Mankato-23
Minnesota-21
Union College-23

If I keep looking I would probably find some rosters with 26 players.

I know I often get off the topic of a thread when I'm really just trying to refute what I believe to be inaccurate information that is being posted. I feel good about moving on now.

First, I said locker room stalls, not rosters. Second, redshirts and walk-ons are often not rostered but still practice on ice and compete for positions and therefore have a "locker room stall". Also, there are girls from 12 countries on Olympic teams. I see Kessel and Stecklein are not on Minnesota's roster, but I am sure they will get their locker room stall and roster spot back when they return. Fyi, standing in a locker room will give you a different perspective than clicking on websites....But yes we have beat this to death!