Moving cities

[edgeless2]

If you actually move from one city to another does that qualify a player to go to any private from where they were at and not lose the year of eligibility?

[MNHockeyFan]

If you actually move from one city to another does that qualify a player to go to any private from where they were at and not lose the year of eligibility?

My understanding is that if you are enrolled in one private school and you want to transfer to another private school, you can do so without penalty (i.e. having to give up varsity eligibility) as long as your parents move... anywhere, as long as they actually do move their primary residence. But before making such a move and assuming eligibility, I would certainly suggest that you verify your individual case with the AD of the new school.

[clean ice]

Just ask the Roo Family . Carter moved from TG to BSM. They moved from Coon Rapids to Champlin. Looks like dad knows all the right moves 4 programs in 5 years. At least they follow the rules.

[HShockeywatcher]

If you actually move from one city to another does that qualify a player to go to any private from where they were at and not lose the year of eligibility?

Moving is key. If you can afford to move, nothing else matters

[alcloseshaver]

Aren't the private school restricted to the public school boundry that they reside in? Example, if you wanted to transfer from a public school, say Blaine to Grace would you not have to have a legal residence in the Fridley school district?

[Bluewhitefan]

Just ask the Roo Family . Carter moved from TG to BSM. They moved from Coon Rapids to Champlin. Looks like dad knows all the right moves 4 programs in 5 years. At least they follow the rules.

Or the Austins - transfer from Blake to BSM and family moves from Edina to SLP. Seems to be a BSM thing.

[Nuts&Bolts]

Where there's a will there's a way or Pauley just helps make the rules that work best for him. Wasn't the more recent example rationalized as a family hardship once they would have 2 kids at the higher priced school? Recalling the profession of the parents makes it that much better but the rules and subjective enforcement are a joke.

[MNHockeyFan]

Aren't the private school restricted to the public school boundry that they reside in? Example, if you wanted to transfer from a public school, say Blaine to Grace would you not have to have a legal residence in the Fridley school district?

No, see cleanice's post above for an example.

[alcloseshaver]

So you can live in Ham Lake and Go to Blaine for freshman and Soph years, play varsity and then go to Grace for your junior year without moving into the Fridley school district where Grace resides. Clean ice appears to be saying that you can go from private to private if you move to any new city from your current residence. I don't think you can go to Grace without penalty unless you move into district that private resides in.

[MrBoDangles]

So you can live in Ham Lake and Go to Blaine for freshman and Soph years, play varsity and then go to Grace for your junior year without moving into the Fridley school district where Grace resides. Clean ice appears to be saying that you can go from private to private if you move to any new city from your current residence. I don't think you can go to Grace without penalty unless you move into district that private resides in.

If a kid lives in Wayzata and goes to BSM, but then his parents/family move to Stillwater you can't expect them to get him over to BSM. But plenty are cheating/getting around it by renting cheaper homes or apartments for a few years..

I might be wrong, but it's the way I understood it..

* the kid would then have the option of going to a closer private school of his choice.

[alcloseshaver]

But if you start at public and go to private you have to move into the district that the private resides in or sit out a varsity year. Understand there are lot's of ways around the rules for those with means to rent or buy new homes for hockey players. But for the common man, and not sure how many of those we have in the affluent suburbs, you can't go from Blaine to Grace without moving, as simple as that?

[glovesareoff]

Scenario 1:
Just picking a city & school here..
If a kid lives in WBL but attends say HM as a 9th Grader. Mom and Dad decide to build new home in WBL, kid wants to go back to WBL as 10th grader.

Scenario 2:
Same as scenario one, but Mom & Dad have to move to different house in Stillwater before house in WBL is finished.

Would the kid be able to play Varsity @ WBL in either situation?

[DubCHAGuy]

Scenario 1:
Just picking a city & school here..
If a kid lives in WBL but attends say HM as a 9th Grader. Mom and Dad decide to build new home in WBL, kid wants to go back to WBL as 10th grader.

Scenario 2:
Same as scenario one, but Mom & Dad have to move to different house in Stillwater before house in WBL is finished.

Would the kid be able to play Varsity @ WBL in either situation?

Scenario 1: kid is eligible at WBL right away. I'm not 100% sure, but the parents moving into a new house might not even matter. I think you can always transfer back to the public school where you live without having to play JV. For example, Connor Hurley played his freshman year at Holy Angels and his Sophomore year at Edina (where I am assuming he lived all along).

Scenario 2: If that was truly the scenario I would assume the MSHSL would look at it and rule the kid eligible at WBL right away since the parents were, and will be WBL residents.

[InYourFace09]

Anders Lee is another example. Played 3 years at STA then went back to Edina for Jr and Sr years. Did his parents move? I don't think they ever did.

So going from private to public can happen at anytime as long as you live in that district?

Or was he before the transfer rule?

[HShockeywatcher]

Anders Lee is another example. Played 3 years at STA then went back to Edina for Jr and Sr years. Did his parents move? I don't think they ever did.

So going from private to public can happen at anytime as long as you live in that district?

Or was he before the transfer rule?

That was years ago. The most recent rule is less than 3 years old.

[Traxler]

Here's the full MSHSL Transfer Rule from MSHSL Bylaw 111.00:

1. A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition provided the student was in good standing (see definition #5 above) on the date of withdrawal from the last school the student attended and one (1) of the provisions in Section 2 (below) is met.
2. A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition if:
A. 9th Grade Option: the student is enrolling in 9th grade for the first time.
B. Family Residence Change: the student transfers from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area at any time during the calendar year in which there is a change of residence and occupancy in Minnesota by the student’s parents. If the student’s parents move from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area, the student will be eligible in the new public school attendance area or a non-public school if the student transfers at the same time the student’s parents move.

If the parents move from one public school district attendance area to another, the student shall continue to be fully eligible if the student continues enrollment in the prior school for the balance of the current marking period or for the balance of the academic school year. If the student elects either of the current enrollment options above, the student will be fully eligible upon transfer to the new school.

A student who elects not to transfer upon a parent’s change in residence shall continue to be eligible at the school in which the student is currently enrolled.
C. Court Ordered Residence Change for Child Protection: The student’s residence is changed pursuant to a child protection order placement in a foster home, or a juvenile court disposition order.
D. Custody of Student: A student of divorced parents who have joint physical custody of the student, as indicated in the divorce decree, who moves from one custodial parent to the other custodial parent shall be fully eligible at the time of the move:
1. At the public school in the new public school attendance area as determined by the district school board where the new residence is located; or
2. At any non-public school.

The student may utilize this provision only one time during grades 9-12 inclusive. The new residence cannot be located in the same public school attendance area as the previous residence.
E. Move From Out of State: If a student’s parents move to Minnesota from a state or country outside of Minnesota and if the student moves at the same time the parent establishes a residence in a Minnesota public school district attendance area, the student shall be eligible at the first school the student attends in Minnesota.
F. Enrollment Options Program: A student who utilizes Minnesota Statute 124D.03 Enrollment Options Program, and transfers without a corresponding change of residence by the student’s parents shall elect one of the following:
1. Retain full eligibility for varsity competition for one (1) calendar year at the school where the student was enrolled prior to the transfer after which time the student shall become fully eligible at the school to which the student has open enrolled; or
2. Be eligible only at the non-varsity level in the school to which the student has open enrolled for one (1) calendar year.
3. If none of the provisions in Section 2 (above) are met, the student is ineligible for varsity competition for a period of one (1) calendar year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school.
A. Students are immediately eligible for competition at the non-varsity level.

[glovesareoff]

Scenario 1:
Just picking a city & school here..
If a kid lives in WBL but attends say HM as a 9th Grader. Mom and Dad decide to build new home in WBL, kid wants to go back to WBL as 10th grader.

Scenario 2:
Same as scenario one, but Mom & Dad have to move to different house in Stillwater before house in WBL is finished.

Would the kid be able to play Varsity @ WBL in either situation?

So with Traxler's post, I see scenario #1, the kid would not be able to play for Varsity at WBL because of the same district to district rule. However scenario #2 the kid would be able to play because they just have to show proof that they moved out of district, although albeit temporary.... Am I seeing that correct????

[pioneers]

Private schools do not have attendance areas. Parents just have to move anywhere and they can transfer and play.

[hockeydad]

Scenario 1:
Just picking a city & school here..
If a kid lives in WBL but attends say HM as a 9th Grader. Mom and Dad decide to build new home in WBL, kid wants to go back to WBL as 10th grader.

Scenario 2:
Same as scenario one, but Mom & Dad have to move to different house in Stillwater before house in WBL is finished.

Would the kid be able to play Varsity @ WBL in either situation?

Scenario 1: kid is eligible at WBL right away. I'm not 100% sure, but the parents moving into a new house might not even matter. I think you can always transfer back to the public school where you live without having to play JV. For example, Connor Hurley played his freshman year at Holy Angels and his Sophomore year at Edina (where I am assuming he lived all along).

Scenario 2: If that was truly the scenario I would assume the MSHSL would look at it and rule the kid eligible at WBL right away since the parents were, and will be WBL residents.

Actually, I dont' think he'd be eligible right away at WBl in scenario 1. From what I understand, for a transfer to be eligible right away, a person has to move out of the school district in which they are residing before the transfer.You cannot just transfer back to the district you reside in and be eligible right away.

[goldy313]

Private schools do not have attendance areas. Parents just have to move anywhere and they can transfer and play.

Not really....you would actually have to move out of the school district you currently reside in. For example a kid lives in Bloomington and moves to a different area in the same school district, he wouldn't be eligible at BSM, even if he moved from the Kennedy side to the Jefferson side.

[OnTheBench]

Private schools do not have attendance areas. Parents just have to move anywhere and they can transfer and play.

Not really....you would actually have to move out of the school district you currently reside in. For example a kid lives in Bloomington and moves to a different area in the same school district, he wouldn't be eligible at BSM, even if he moved from the Kennedy side to the Jefferson side.

This is not correct. The key phrase in the MSHSL rule is the "public school district attendance area". It is defined as follows in the handbook:

Public School District Attendance Area. The term “public school district attendance area” shall be understood to
refer to the area assigned to a specific high school by a Board of Education and shall not refer to a school district
except in cases in which only one high school exists in a school district.

So long as there is a legitimate residence change from the boundaries defined for one high school into the boundaries defined for a different high school, the student is free to transfer without penalty to any new school, public or private. In fact, using Bloomington as the example it would even be possible for a student who lived within the Kennedy boundaries who had open enrolled at Jefferson as 9th grader to later transfer to Kennedy without losing varsity eligibility, so long as he did it following the move of his family out of the Kennedy attendance area to the Jefferson area by open enrolling back to Kennedy. Without the move, the student would have to play JV for a year after transferring back to Kennedy, the school within whose boundaries he lives.

In the earlier posts defining the 2 scenarios, I believe the student would be ineligible in both cases. In the first case, there was no attendance area change so the family residence change criterion was not met. The second case is also dealt with in the handbook in the Definitions for Bylaw 111 section:

BOARD POLICY DEFINITIONS FOR BYLAW 111
1. Change of Residence. A change of residence is the actual physical relocation by the parents or guardians of a
student with the intent to reside indefinitely at a new residence in Minnesota and terminate all occupancy of a
previous residence. The change in residence must be bona fide, include other minor siblings and involve a transfer
from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area.
2. For purposes of eligibility determinations, the residence of a student shall be the bona fide location of the residence
and must include occupancy by the students’ parents or guardians in the public school attendance area. Both
parents, except as otherwise provided herein, must physically reside at the residence on a regular basis for the
duration of the student’s enrollment.

The key phrase here in the first definition is "reside indefinitely" so a move that was known to be temporary would not qualify. The second definition is interesting in that it suggests that an apartment rental to skirt the rules would need to be kept until the student graduates. So, if the apartment were rented before the student's junior year, it couldn't be given up after a year with a move back to the original residence because eligibility would then be lost at that time.

[Hockey922]

Pretty sure that players can go private to public without moving as long as they can convince the mshsl it was for financial reasons

[hockeyfan21]

Pretty sure that players can go private to public without moving as long as they can convince the mshsl it was for financial reasons

Very very difficult to do. Hastings has a kid went private Fresh-Soph, went back to Hastings Junior and is ineligible this year. Playing JV this year. Have to show a change in income or family status change to use the financial hardship card.

[AMERICAN]

OnTheBench- You are spot on in your analysis. The rule applies equally to both public and private school students. The rule just defines boundary areas based on public school boundaries since you aren't able to define a private school boundary area. Therefore, DQ'd under both scenarios.

[blueblood]

Man, There are a lot of lawyers on this blog site. And to think, most people think hockey players are not that bright.