NHL Central Scouting Mid-season Rankings

Duluthguy · Post by **Duluthguy** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:06 am

The Mid-season rankings for next summer's NHL draft were released today. Nine Minnesota high school players were listed (including two from Shattuck, so I guess 7 MSHSL players):

17 TUFTE, RILEY BLAINE
49 MATTSON, MITCHELL GRAND RAPIDS
85 GRAHAM, MICHAEL EDEN PRAIRIE
97 JOHNSON, KENNETH SHATTUCK - ST.MARY'S PREP
109 PERUNOVICH, SCOTT HIBBING/CHISHOLM
168 JETTE, TYLER FARMINGTON
189 JERRY, WILLIAM ST. THOMAS
200 DE MEY, VINCENT SHATTUCK - ST.MARY'S PREP
210 AAMODT, WYATT HERMANTOWN

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:13 am

Nice to see 3 northern MN boys on the list.

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:13 am

Only issue with Central Scouting is they are a group paid by every team in the NHL. There role is to put together a list that is based on positives. It is up to each team to break down the negatives on a player and move them up or down according to that teams likes and dislikes. Is what it is. I think you need to include the kids that are HS age but playing else where like Ann Arbor, or USHL There a a few high end kids from Minnesota that are not listed on your list but will be drafted with out a doubt and very high

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:16 am

Great to see the two 7A stud defenseman on the list.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:18 am

howardst wrote:Only issue with Central Scouting is they are a group paid by every team in the NHL. There role is to put together a list that is based on positives. It is up to each team to break down the negatives on a player and move them up or down according to that teams likes and dislikes. Is what it is. I think you need to include the kids that are HS age but playing else where like Ann Arbor, or USHL There a a few high end kids from Minnesota that are not listed on your list but will be drafted with out a doubt and very high

Kind of, but not really... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Centr ... ing_Bureau

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:20 am

Kinda - Exactly

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:23 am

Another group that does a reference draft list is

Red Line Report

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:23 am

howardst wrote:Kinda - Exactly

Their ranking system inherently goes against the idea of only finding positives. Unless "poor" defines a positive trait.

"The full-time staff of the Central Scouting Service follows a checklist to assess the prospects' skillset and how it would apply to the pro game. Prospects are rated by skill as Excellent (E), Very Good (VG), Good (G), Average (A), Poor (P), or Not Applicable (NA), with different skills being emphasized amongst the different positions: forward, defenceman, and goaltender. The Service releases the contents of the checklists to the public from their website, so anyone can evaluate players at any level of play.[1] The rankings are compiled by numerous reviews by the professional scouts' combined opinions of the players and released as a bimonthly list."

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:27 am

They use there grading system to rank the players and when they publish their list released to the teams it gives a brief description of each player and the strengths of each player, not the negatives. Those opinions are left to each team to come up with on there own

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:38 am

Yes they do know that. You said he was on their level now and the answer is no. Will he be? Most likely with maturity. In fact there are a bunch of younger kids that are on the radar. Heck Gleason is a name you will be hearing about as a upcoming stud also

JoltDelivered · Post by **JoltDelivered** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:42 am

In case you're wondering how this might translate to the actual NHL draft, here's a look back to last year's final Central Scouting list for Minnesota High School Hockey players vs. Actual NHL Draft:

Jack Sadek CS Final Rank: 79th / Drafted 204th overall
Jake Jaremko CS Final Rank: 110th / Not drafted by NHL
Will Borgen: CS Final Rank 114th / Drafted 92nd overall
Lucas Jaycox: CS Final Rank 158th / Not drafted by NHL
Jack Becker: CS Final Rank 164th / Drafted 195th overall
Jack Poehling: CS Final Rank 186th / Not drafted by NHL
Nick Poehling: CS Final Rank 191st / Not drafted by NHL
Jack McNeely: CS Final Rank 208th / Not drafted by NHL

From a league comparison:
MSHSL had 3 players drafted into the NHL
The OHL had 31 players drafted into the NHL
The QMJHL had 30 players drafted into the NHL
The USHL had 31 players drafted into the NHL (11 of which were from USA U18 Team)
The NAHL had 5 players drafted into the NHL (4 were goalies)

observer · Post by **observer** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:03 am

What's the WHL number? Minnesotans are drafted to the WHL but I didn't spot any from the WHL on the list this year.

Here's the list of other Minnesotans.

12 Bellows, Kieffer USA U-18 USHL LW 6' 196
51 Lindgren, Ryan USA U-18 USHL D 5'11 198
52 Anderson, Joseph USA U-18 USHL RW 5'11 192
66 Zimmer, Max Chicago USHL LW 5'11 187
141 Pitlick, Rem Muskegon USHL C 5'9 196
175 Rossini, Sam Waterloo USHL D 6'2 197

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:21 am

JoltDelivered wrote:Will Borgen: CS Final Rank 114th / Drafted 92nd overall

Great pick-up by Motzko and crew. Kid just keeps exceeding expectations. The Huskies also picked up Jack Achan who is currently leading all USHL defensemen in scoring. They could end up being the best two college defensemen in this class of Minnesotans.

SCSU doesn't get as many Minnesotans as UMN or UMD, but they often get the right ones!

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:53 am

The Exiled One wrote:
JoltDelivered wrote:Will Borgen: CS Final Rank 114th / Drafted 92nd overall
Great pick-up by Motzko and crew. Kid just keeps exceeding expectations. The Huskies also picked up Jack Achan who is currently leading all USHL defensemen in scoring. They could end up being the best two college defensemen in this class of Minnesotans.

SCSU doesn't get as many Minnesotans as UMN or UMD, but they often get the right ones!

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Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:08 am

The Exiled One wrote:
JoltDelivered wrote:Will Borgen: CS Final Rank 114th / Drafted 92nd overall
Great pick-up by Motzko and crew. Kid just keeps exceeding expectations. The Huskies also picked up Jack Achan who is currently leading all USHL defensemen in scoring. They could end up being the best two college defensemen in this class of Minnesotans.

SCSU doesn't get as many Minnesotans as UMN or UMD, but they often get the right ones!

Will they be able to bring Ahcan in next year though?

oldschoolpuckster · Post by **oldschoolpuckster** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:57 am

Sats81 wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:
JoltDelivered wrote:Will Borgen: CS Final Rank 114th / Drafted 92nd overall
Great pick-up by Motzko and crew. Kid just keeps exceeding expectations. The Huskies also picked up Jack Achan who is currently leading all USHL defensemen in scoring. They could end up being the best two college defensemen in this class of Minnesotans.

SCSU doesn't get as many Minnesotans as UMN or UMD, but they often get the right ones!
Will they be able to bring Ahcan in next year though?

They are bringing him in this fall. Kid is having a fantastic season in Cedar Rapids!!

green4 · Post by **green4** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:50 am

observer wrote:What's the WHL number? Minnesotans are drafted to the WHL but I didn't spot any from the WHL on the list this year.

Here's the list of other Minnesotans.

12 Bellows, Kieffer USA U-18 USHL LW 6' 196
51 Lindgren, Ryan USA U-18 USHL D 5'11 198
52 Anderson, Joseph USA U-18 USHL RW 5'11 192
66 Zimmer, Max Chicago USHL LW 5'11 187
141 Pitlick, Rem Muskegon USHL C 5'9 196
175 Rossini, Sam Waterloo USHL D 6'2 197

Malmquist is back on the list at 195 too. Slim chance to get drafted, but having a real nice year as a freshman

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:52 am

oldschoolpuckster wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
The Exiled One wrote: Great pick-up by Motzko and crew. Kid just keeps exceeding expectations. The Huskies also picked up Jack Achan who is currently leading all USHL defensemen in scoring. They could end up being the best two college defensemen in this class of Minnesotans.

SCSU doesn't get as many Minnesotans as UMN or UMD, but they often get the right ones!
Will they be able to bring Ahcan in next year though?
They are bringing him in this fall. Kid is having a fantastic season in Cedar Rapids!!

I understand he is having a great yr and is ready, but I wasn't sure if they could bring him in with what they have returning...

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:26 pm

Sats81 wrote:I understand he is having a great yr and is ready, but I wasn't sure if they could bring him in with what they have returning...

True, they only graduate Prow and will get Kuster back from injury, but I'm a bit concerned about Borgen or Widman leaving early... more likely Widman who will get his bachelor degree this spring.

Their only other defensive recruit (Cholowski) is likely to be a mid-round NHL draft pick, so SCSU will have to find a way to keep him happy as well.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:26 pm

That was my point.