2005-2006 Schwan Cup

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:38 pm

Well some changes have been made to this year's Schwan Cup Holiday Tournament. The 3 tournaments are as follows: "Gold" -Xcel Energy Center 1. Centennial 2. Dulth East 3. Holy Angels 4. Jefferson 5. Moorhead 6. Roseville 7. Wayzata 8. White Bear Lake "Silver" -Aldrich Arena 1. Apple Valley 2. Benilde 3. Brainerd 4. Breck 5. Edina 6. Elk River 7. Hill Murray 8. Maple Grove "Bronze" -Brooklyn Park Arena 1. Champlain Park 2. Cretin-Derham Hall 3. Duluth Denfeld 4. Mahtomedi 5. Orono 6. Prior Lake 7. St.Thomas Academy 8. Totino Grace Comments, what does everyone think?

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:37 am

I'm surprised to see Hill in the 'Silver' tier and Roseville in the 'Gold' tier. Hill has a bunch of kids playing in the Elite League this fall, will have an experienced goalie returning and after being embarassed by North St.Paul last year in the sections I have to think they'll be focused, so I'm expecting them to be one of the top 8 teams this year. Roseville lost a senior goalie and will have a new coach. They have a very talented player in Mike Dorr and I'm sure they have other talent but the team I saw last year was good but not great and unless there have been dramatic improvements or an influx of talented underclassmen and a goaltending wizard, this team isn't even in the top ten. Believe me I'd love to be proven wrong as Roseville is the Cities team that I root for, but based on what they've lost and last year's performance I don't think they belong in the 'Gold' tier. Also I see that Edina will be participating, does this mean they won't be having their tournament this year?

hcky0809 · Post by **hcky0809** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:13 am

Chris K - agree with everything you said and that is exactly what stuck out with me when I read the lineups. I would also question Wayzata being in the Gold Division with the loss of Lucia, and possibly Wehrs and Miller (?) as I believe's last year's team was pretty much a one line team. I think Elk River should have a pretty decent squad this year.

nolookpassguy · Post by **nolookpassguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:52 pm

Hill's placement in the Silver division was the result of their performance in the same Tournament last year. They haven't fared well in this tournament, but I do expect them to have a solid year.

drake · Post by **drake** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:04 pm

where is Eden Prairie?

RinkRat10506 · Post by **RinkRat10506** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:49 pm

I'm kinda dissapointed that Roseville is in the Gold division, seeing Hill-Murray, Edina, or Eden Prairie would be better in my opionion. I'm glad that Elk River in the Silver Division, I thought they were kinda boring to watch last year.I think the addition of Duluth East was good for the Gold Division. It would be nice instead of Wayzata being there that maybe Warroad could play instead.

ONMHockey · Post by **ONMHockey** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:26 pm

What are Jefferson's chances this year? Looking at the Gold Div I see a lot of parity. Centennial isn't one bit tought this year, nor is Moorhead, Wayzata, East or even the Bears. Except Roseville with just one, each team has their three fine players that most people can identify, but where is the sustaining depth? Holy Angels maybe has four but heck they can get pushed around and are not a lock. It all depends on how lucky they get. I think it looks like a great card. Hill and Elk's are equal to any of these squads. Were the top teams GOLD's desire? Actually I like seeing Hill and Elks in Silver, it really beefs that div up and makes for a great tourney.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:33 pm

please..........Roseville was a better team then H-M last year but did not get to play gold and as far as H-M players in the elite I league....the answer to that is because it's the "good buddy" league which has been discussed extensively awhile back in another thread........I'd put Dorr and Wieck up against any H-M player anytime anyplace and they would put them to shame.........so explain your point again, you lost me on your logic

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:23 pm

Well for my 1,000th post, I'll do a pre-season ranking of the AA teams in the Gold and Silver divisions. --1) Holy Angels: The Stars lost just 5 seniors; 3 that really contributed (Hawkins, Hummel, Krempa). With all of that talent returning, expect the Stars to be right at the top again. --2) White Bear Lake: They did lose 7 seniors, but White Bear always seems to make up for it with upcoming players. Shouldn't be a huge offensive team, but should remain solid on defense as usual. It'll be interesting to see how Faust does this year. --3) Hill-Murray: Some people may think I'm goofy for putting Hill at #3, but it's not just because I'm "for" them. H-M returns 2 top lines of forwards and 4 defenseman. Besides that, a few talented JV forwards and defenseman should most likely end up filling in any open spots. The key will be goaltending, and it should be a different look than last year since it has some more experience. --4) Centennial: With the loss of their top line plus a couple of senior defense (1 being RJ Anderson), offense probably will be down a bit. What helps is returning forwards Bergren and Vanguilder, but what isn't known is how the man in the nets will do. --5) Wayzata: The loss of Lucia won't help, but returning both goaltenders plus a good amount of skaters should keep Wayzata in the top 10. --6) Moorhead: People may think I'm crazy for putting them here since they basically lost their entire team, but Moorhead's JV has been among the best (if not best) for a while now. If Beau Christian (or whoever goaltends) can step it up, then expect Moorhead to be another WBL. --7) Jefferson: Even though they lost a good chunk of seniors, they'll have some talented forwards returning. Defense will be needed since only 2 inexperienced returners are back. Austin Lee is back and will be facing more shots than usual. The rest I don't know a great deal about, so I will list what I think: 8. Benilde St. Margaret 9. Elk River 10. Duluth East 11. Edina 12. Roseville 13. Apple Valley

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:13 pm

Personally I think Hill is above the other teams in the silver division, that they are equal with the teams in gold, but for the past two years the scores didnt even out, so this year Hill needs to prove itself worthy of being back in gold and in the '06 tournament we should see that.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:45 pm

As much as I believe that Hill & ER have the caliber of teams that should be in the Gold division, I'm kinda glad that they aren't because they both find a way to absolutely suck during the tournament. Either way it should be a very interesting tournament with great competition at each level. The Bronze division interests me almost as much as the Gold & Silver because there are some teams there that could surprise people IMO. Can't wait for HS Hockey to start! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:03 pm

I agree ER, the tournament should still have some good competition to it despite it's the "silver" tier. Well I can't wait for hockey either! Counting the days down...

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:32 pm

There's also good teams in silver, so im not trying to knock them. Who knows maybe this year the tournament will prove beneficial for the pioneers.

WBLBEARS06 · Post by **WBLBEARS06** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:18 am

Alright hill fan(s) lets be realistic. Hill Number 3? Not to rip them apart but they were not a steller team last season, but they were not horrible. Do they have a goalie? They will be able to score goals, but will they be able to stop them.....<blockquote>Quote:<hr> It'll be interesting to see how Faust does this year.<hr></blockquote> What does that mean, Faust was awesome last year, granted he let in that infamous goal against centennial, but he still took wbl to state, and even though they lost first round last year he still played well. So the WBL goaltending will not even be an issue this year. And what did you mean by <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If Beau Christian (or whoever goaltends) can step it up, then expect Moorhead to be another WBL. <hr></blockquote> that exactly So WBL will repeat the Schwans<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> The curse lives on.....Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... BEARS06</A> at: 9/25/05 12:20 am

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:22 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>but will they be able to stop them.....<hr></blockquote> Here's why I personally think they could be more solid on "D". I compared stats to the 03-04 team and the 04-05 team. The 03-04 team had given up 698 shots despite giving up less goals than last year (Fangel was in nets), and the last year's team gave up only 470 shots. Now that is a big difference. Goaltending does have some more experience now and since Hill is returning 4 regular defenseman, it should go smoother than last year, but we'll still have to wait and see. About Faust. He had a tough time in the State Tournament. Now he got his team there and I give him credit, but look at the team that was in front of him. I just wonder how he'll do after losing 3 senior defenseman in front of him and how the others will step up (I'm sure it won't be a big deal since it's WBL, but I'm still wondering). About Moorhead, I see them as a WBL at the moment. In other words, strong defensively. Moorhead usually has big players and obviously had a tough offense during 04-05, but who knows how the new players will step it up as far as putting in goals.

TDY · Post by **TDY** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:05 pm

who will be goaltending at hill next year?

hillhockey · Post by **hillhockey** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:14 pm

joe phillippi for one

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:37 pm

Hillhockey said one of them. The other spot is up for fight. It'll go between Danny McEnaney, Mike Scott, and new transfer Tom O'Brien (from North). I don't know how well Tom plays, but all I can say is it'll be tough for him to play on Hill's team after transfering as a senior.

brickwall33 · Post by **brickwall33** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:30 am

I think it is a good thing Hill is in the silver division this year. First off, they won't take anything for granted like they have in the past. Second, they have a history of not winning in this tourney. Going three and out is not a big confidence booster. I think being in the Silver division will light a fire under them and they will play that much harder and when they get their chance to play the gold division teams in their non conference schedule they will be itching to prove they can beat those teams. As for being #3 ranked by Hillfan, I don't agree. I think they have the talent to rise that high in the rankings, but this group of kids has really yet to prove something. I think starting the year IMO would be around 10 or so, and if they start beating some teams it could rise. I am still not set on the goaltending situation, though. I haven't seen any of the goalies play all summer so hopefully one is going to step up. I got to believe the starting goalie spot is up for grabs.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:29 am

Considering the turnover of teams in high school hockey it seems a bit absurd to seed the teams based on the previous year's performance. From what I saw last year, Hill-Murray and Roseville were pretty even. Roseville had the better record, but Hill had the tougher schedule. Both teams are losing about the same amount of seniors, but Roseville lost most of their scoring from last year and a senior goalie. Hill may be unsettled right now at goalie, but they have a lot of firepower returning. White Bear will have two top goalies on their team this year, according to the Elite league information which lists both Zach Faust and Eric Hartzell for WBL. I assume Faust will be no.1 as he's a senior and played most of last year. I have my reservations about Faust, he's a good goalie, but lapses like the goal against Centennial and if I remember right, the first goal against DE in the tournament make me question his concentration. He showed improvement from his sophomore year last year, so maybe he'll pick up his concentration this year. Holy Angels will be a juggernaut. They lost only five seniors, return a goalie who was stellar in the state tournament last year and retain a lot of speed and scoring. Last year's team had one lapse against Centennial, otherwise they only lost one other game in overtime against Shattuck. Focus could be an issue, but Trebil is an excellent motivator.

Bogey guy · Post by **Bogey guy** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:27 am

Moorhead's goalie situation will be very interesting with Beau Christian leaving to play in Chicago and two jv goalies stepping in with no varsity experience. Who will step up and put the puck in the net for the Spuds and a young group on defense lead to some questions if they can repeat in 8AA.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:12 pm

Chris K - not sure where you are getting your information from, but Roseville had one of the toughest schedules in the state last year...H-M on the other hand, had the good fortune of playing quite a few "little sister" teams....go ahead check it out....couldn't beat the stronger teams.......also, as far as Roseville's ability to score this year, they still have Dorr and Wieck....both only juniors and the 1st and 4th leading goal scorers last year....again, go ahead and check it out........... plus they have several very strong new faces joining them on the team this year also.....if you are basing how H-M will do this year, because you believe they were such a strong team last year, you better go back and do some more homework Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... kingood</A> at: 9/26/05 7:38 pm

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:37 am

pucking, this site is a real good source of info for previous year's schedules and stats: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/">www ...  Roseville played 11 games against top 20 ranked AA opponents or top 10 ranked A teams in dent011's list, Hill played 10 games (plus other games against top 20 ranked A teams). Hill was 3-7 in those games (beating Moorhead in the 2nd game) and Roseville was 5-6 (beating Centennial--and I'm counting the DE game as a loss). Both teams lost to WBL, Hill beat Wayzata and Roseville lost to them. If I understand the info on Mitch's site correctly <a href="http://www.ushsho.com/mnrank.htm">www.u ...  Roseville gets a slightly higher strength of schedule ranking, 12.2 than Hill's 12.0, which would put Roseville about 9th for toughest schedule and Hill about 16th. So, I'll give you your point about Roseville's schedule, but Hill's schedule wasn't easy either despite their games against 'little sister' teams. These teams were pretty even last year but neither was a top ten team. These are the players Roseville lost from last year: Pat Kriegler Sr G GAA 2.43 Pete Morrison Sr Fc 21-22-43 Jake Barke Sr F 13-15-28 John Kretchmer Sr F 9-16-25 Andy Capistrant Sr F 5-12-17 Dennnis Jones Sr F 0- 4- 4 Robby Spalding Sr D 9-21-30 om Kreuser Sr D 2-12-14 Ryan O’Keefe Sr D 0- 2- 2 Dorr (the team's points leader) and Wieck are the only players returning who had double figures in points though as you say, Wieck was 4th in goals. They lost 6 of their top 7 points leaders plus their top 2 D. They do not have a goalie with any high school experience returning. Hill lost: Ryan Guentzel c Sr F 17-31-48 Sam Yearsley Sr F 7-11-18 Alex Spies Sr F 8- 7-15 Josh Carlson Sr Fc 5- 5-10 Kyle Ronning Sr Fc 1- 0- 1 ike Phillippi c Sr D 14-21-35 Eric Morrow Sr D 5-10-15 Brent Mercado Sr D 0- 1- 1 but they'll have back: Brian Arrigoni Jr F 15-19-34 Bryant Skarda Jr F 11-14-25 Joey McEnany Jr F 9- 9-18 Mike Hoeffel So F 24-19-43 Nick Larson So F 9-11-20 Derek McCallum Jr D 6-20-26 Billy Leier Jr D 5- 8-13 plus 2 senior goalies and a talented sophomore goalie. Based on last year's team I see a lot of talent returning for Hill and one great and one good player returning for Roseville. Like I said I'd love to see Roseville prove me wrong, but they've got too many holes to fill this year.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:17 pm

Well, maybe Hill shouldn't be as high as I ranked them. I just looked at the talent returning (and coming up) and thought of just sticking them there as a pre-season ranking.. I'll agree that they have talent to be high up like that at the end of the year, but first they need to get on that ice and prove it.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:14 pm

Chrisk, I'm well aware of these websites.....but what you've done is called selective interpretation......you need to put up both schedules up side by side in their entirety..the story tells itself...as I said before, H-M played a whole bunch of weaker teams (Johnson 12-0, South St.Paul 10-0, South St.Paul 13-0, Simley 11-0, Mahtomedi (sp?), Henry Sibley 8-0 etc.) If one was not aware of this, on the surface it looks like a superior team with superior players.....look at things a little closer, take these games into account and strip away the inflated player statistics coming out of those games......well....I conclude differently.......l'd like to hear some other opinions

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