Suburban east conference

[inthetwine]

Suburban east conference.
Can someone explain to me the two divisions in the suburban east conference and how this weekends games play out? Cretin is the only team listed on Saturday’s schedule, all the other teams are TBD.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

What is up with this conference? Why is CDH scheduled twice against Stillwater, but CDH and Stillwater both only meet WBL once?

[inthetwine]

Something changed this year, so not all teams play each team twice. I think the conference Hill and St. Thomas are in do the same thing, I think that started several years ago

[Slapper Al]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

[inthetwine]

Thank you, I was guessing that was the case.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

If that's the case, I think this was a poor decision. Cre-tine, WB, and Stillwater should want to play each other twice. Correct me if I'm wrong (my kids do it all the time), but in the Tradition Rich Metro East, HM & STA, by mutual agreement with all concerned, limit games against lesser opponents to one per season. The TRME parallel would be that HM - STA - Mahtomedi all should play each other twice. Splitting those three between 2 divisions would be foolish. (Yeah, I know it doesn't have ten teams, I can count.) I don't see a reason WB & Cre-tine couldn't agree to play half of those other teams once per season, with each game counting for 4 points in the standings.

As I've stated elsewhere on this forum, the old 1980's St. Paul City conference plan was a great idea. The top teams played the bottom teams once, with each game worth 6 points. The top teams met each other 3 times, with each game worth 2 points. Top teams met middle teams twice, with each game worth 2 points. Of course, it worked similarly for bottom teams. Middle teams played everyone twice. It made for more competitive games.

Also, it would be nice if Hockey Hub reflected the SEC divisions.

[Sparlimb]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

If that's the case, I think this was a poor decision. Cre-tine, WB, and Stillwater should want to play each other twice. Correct me if I'm wrong (my kids do it all the time), but in the Tradition Rich Metro East, HM & STA, by mutual agreement with all concerned, limit games against lesser opponents to one per season. The TRME parallel would be that HM - STA - Mahtomedi all should play each other twice. Splitting those three between 2 divisions would be foolish. (Yeah, I know it doesn't have ten teams, I can count.) I don't see a reason WB & Cre-tine couldn't agree to play half of those other teams once per season, with each game counting for 4 points in the standings.

As I've stated elsewhere on this forum, the old 1980's St. Paul City conference plan was a great idea. The top teams played the bottom teams once, with each game worth 6 points. The top teams met each other 3 times, with each game worth 2 points. Top teams met middle teams twice, with each game worth 2 points. Of course, it worked similarly for bottom teams. Middle teams played everyone twice. It made for more competitive games.

Also, it would be nice if Hockey Hub reflected the SEC divisions.

You are sure demanding for a conference your team doesn't even play in. My goodness.

[Smooth]

Wow that st paul city conference must have been a real dogs breakfast in the 80s.

[inthetwine]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

If that's the case, I think this was a poor decision. Cre-tine, WB, and Stillwater should want to play each other twice. Correct me if I'm wrong (my kids do it all the time), but in the Tradition Rich Metro East, HM & STA, by mutual agreement with all concerned, limit games against lesser opponents to one per season. The TRME parallel would be that HM - STA - Mahtomedi all should play each other twice. Splitting those three between 2 divisions would be foolish. (Yeah, I know it doesn't have ten teams, I can count.) I don't see a reason WB & Cre-tine couldn't agree to play half of those other teams once per season, with each game counting for 4 points in the standings.

As I've stated elsewhere on this forum, the old 1980's St. Paul City conference plan was a great idea. The top teams played the bottom teams once, with each game worth 6 points. The top teams met each other 3 times, with each game worth 2 points. Top teams met middle teams twice, with each game worth 2 points. Of course, it worked similarly for bottom teams. Middle teams played everyone twice. It made for more competitive games.

Also, it would be nice if Hockey Hub reflected the SEC divisions.

Im sure they will mix up the divisions every year, so next year WBL will play Cretin or Stillwater twice.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

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Im sure they will mix up the divisions every year, so next year WBL will play Cretin or Stillwater twice.
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That would just as dumb.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

If that's the case, I think this was a poor decision. Cre-tine, WB, and Stillwater should want to play each other twice. Correct me if I'm wrong (my kids do it all the time), but in the Tradition Rich Metro East, HM & STA, by mutual agreement with all concerned, limit games against lesser opponents to one per season. The TRME parallel would be that HM - STA - Mahtomedi all should play each other twice. Splitting those three between 2 divisions would be foolish. (Yeah, I know it doesn't have ten teams, I can count.) I don't see a reason WB & Cre-tine couldn't agree to play half of those other teams once per season, with each game counting for 4 points in the standings.

As I've stated elsewhere on this forum, the old 1980's St. Paul City conference plan was a great idea. The top teams played the bottom teams once, with each game worth 6 points. The top teams met each other 3 times, with each game worth 2 points. Top teams met middle teams twice, with each game worth 2 points. Of course, it worked similarly for bottom teams. Middle teams played everyone twice. It made for more competitive games.

Also, it would be nice if Hockey Hub reflected the SEC divisions.

You are sure demanding for a conference your team doesn't even play in. My goodness.

Keep it up and you won't be on my Christmas card list much longer.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

They Split the conference into two Divisions:
Division 1 (CDH, East Ridge, Park, Stillwater, Woodbury)
Division 2 (Forest Lake, Irondale, Mounds View, Roseville, White Bear Lake)
You play each team in your division twice and the other division once. Then based on points 1 plays 1 for the conference championship , 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc on the final day of the conference schedule. Right now WBL has won their division and CDH plays Stillwater on Thursday for their division.
I think it was so teams could play more people in their section or balance the schedule.

If that's the case, I think this was a poor decision. Cre-tine, WB, and Stillwater should want to play each other twice. Correct me if I'm wrong (my kids do it all the time), but in the Tradition Rich Metro East, HM & STA, by mutual agreement with all concerned, limit games against lesser opponents to one per season. The TRME parallel would be that HM - STA - Mahtomedi all should play each other twice. Splitting those three between 2 divisions would be foolish. (Yeah, I know it doesn't have ten teams, I can count.) I don't see a reason WB & Cre-tine couldn't agree to play half of those other teams once per season, with each game counting for 4 points in the standings.

As I've stated elsewhere on this forum, the old 1980's St. Paul City conference plan was a great idea. The top teams played the bottom teams once, with each game worth 6 points. The top teams met each other 3 times, with each game worth 2 points. Top teams met middle teams twice, with each game worth 2 points. Of course, it worked similarly for bottom teams. Middle teams played everyone twice. It made for more competitive games.

Also, it would be nice if Hockey Hub reflected the SEC divisions.

You are sure demanding for a conference your team doesn't even play in. My goodness.

Keep it up and you won't be on my Christmas card list much longer.

[BodyShots]

Sounds like a North and South division within the conference. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it stay that way going forward.

[BodyShots]

Since I don’t see a TRME topic, I guess I will have to ask this question here, for all you HM boys.

Why is Lech still allowed to coach your team? Given the incident (and this isn’t the first time a hazing incident has occurred under his watch). This isn’t as bad as the Proctor football situation, but it’s not far away.

[Sparlimb]

Since I don’t see a TRME topic, I guess I will have to ask this question here, for all you HM boys.

Why is Lech still allowed to coach your team? Given the incident (and this isn’t the first time a hazing incident has occurred under his watch). This isn’t as bad as the Proctor football situation, but it’s not far away.

I don't know the full story, so I can't really comment. If the administration feels its time for a change, I'll have to trust that's the case. As was said on the YHH podcast, the wolves are always at the door. My perception had always been that Lechner ran a tight ship. He's dismissed a fair amount of players over the years when he didn't have to. They are high school kids, there will be knuckleheads every year.

[SEC Scotty]

Since I don’t see a TRME topic, I guess I will have to ask this question here, for all you HM boys.

Why is Lech still allowed to coach your team? Given the incident (and this isn’t the first time a hazing incident has occurred under his watch). This isn’t as bad as the Proctor football situation, but it’s not far away.

I don't know the full story, so I can't really comment. If the administration feels its time for a change, I'll have to trust that's the case. As was said on the YHH podcast, the wolves are always at the door. My perception had always been that Lechner ran a tight ship. He's dismissed a fair amount of players over the years when he didn't have to. They are high school kids, there will be knuckleheads every year.

Why do I get the feeling that the people running the MSHSL couldn’t find their ass with both hands, and where are my Tickets for state? Do I have to scan something?

[mnpuckster]

What's the story on HM and Lechner Bodyshots?

Without getting into too much detail (with the kid that was dismissed), why is Lechner responsible for kids texting things inappropriate?

I'm a WBL supporter, but imo Lechner has been nothing but class since he took the helm. About 10 years back he dismissed 3 or 4 players from the varsity squad late in the season. At least 1, and maybe more were big time players...and maybe best goal scorer on team that year. They still went on to win section.

If Lechner gets chased out...who is good enough to coach these kids?

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

What's the story on HM and Lechner Bodyshots?

Without getting into too much detail (with the kid that was dismissed), why is Lechner responsible for kids texting things inappropriate?

I'm a WBL supporter, but imo Lechner has been nothing but class since he took the helm. About 10 years back he dismissed 3 or 4 players from the varsity squad late in the season. At least 1, and maybe more were big time players...and maybe best goal scorer on team that year. They still went on to win section.

If Lechner gets chased out...who is good enough to coach these kids?

Not only was it fairly late in the season, but that team had a good chance to repeat. The remaining players did right the ship, but the loss of talent hurt. As it was, they took eventual champion EP to in the first round in OT, with Kyle Rau (I believe) scoring the game winning goal. It hurt as that was our best chance to repeat.

I wonder how many problems Lex prevented by kicking those kids off back then. Future players had to think "Lex is serious". Well, except for those that were teenagers, and thought "But I'm so good there's no way I'd get booted!"

[BlueLineSpecial]

Since I don’t see a TRME topic, I guess I will have to ask this question here, for all you HM boys.

Why is Lech still allowed to coach your team? Given the incident (and this isn’t the first time a hazing incident has occurred under his watch). This isn’t as bad as the Proctor football situation, but it’s not far away.

I resisted even commenting on this. I will simply say that from everything I know about Bill Lechner he is a class act in every aspect of his life. Look at any interview or article quoting him, and he talks about not only coaching these kids on the ice but also doing everything in his power to coach them on being socially responsible, honest, and upholding the values we should all strive for. He's made plenty of difficult decisions that cost the team wins, and maybe even titles, because a student-athlete didn't meet those standards.

I wish I cared about other people as much as Lechner does. I'd be a better person if I followed his lead. I think it's a sad state of affairs when the coach of a team should somehow be responsible for the every action of a bunch of kids, both on and off the ice. He has them for a few hours a week for a couple of months of the year and he's going to be held to account for their every dumb decision? Come on.

Bill Lechner sets the expectation these kids need to abide by, and if they don't they'll be held accountable. That's all I could expect of any coach. I certainly don't expect them to supplant parents and personal responsibility as the sole authority on morality or good behavior 24/7/365

[SEC Scotty]

Since I don’t see a TRME topic, I guess I will have to ask this question here, for all you HM boys.

Why is Lech still allowed to coach your team? Given the incident (and this isn’t the first time a hazing incident has occurred under his watch). This isn’t as bad as the Proctor football situation, but it’s not far away.

I resisted even commenting on this. I will simply say that from everything I know about Bill Lechner he is a class act in every aspect of his life. Look at any interview or article quoting him, and he talks about not only coaching these kids on the ice but also doing everything in his power to coach them on being socially responsible, honest, and upholding the values we should all strive for. He's made plenty of difficult decisions that cost the team wins, and maybe even titles, because a student-athlete didn't meet those standards.

I wish I cared about other people as much as Lechner does. I'd be a better person if I followed his lead. I think it's a sad state of affairs when the coach of a team should somehow be responsible for the every action of a bunch of kids, both on and off the ice. He has them for a few hours a week for a couple of months of the year and he's going to be held to account for their every dumb decision? Come on.

Bill Lechner sets the expectation these kids need to abide by, and if they don't they'll be held accountable. That's all I could expect of any coach. I certainly don't expect them to supplant parents and personal responsibility as the sole authority on morality or good behavior 24/7/365

[BodyShots]

Did anybody else get suspended? I only heard about the goalie being removed from the team. I would be surprised if he was the only one involved.

[inthetwine]

As a white bear fan, I would welcome Bill Lechner to white bear with open arms! It would be a monstrous improvement over the current coach.

[BodyShots]

As a white bear fan, I would welcome Bill Lechner to white bear with open arms! It would be a monstrous improvement over the current coach.

That’s not saying much. Although I don’t recall him being very successful at Stillwater.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

As a white bear fan, I would welcome Bill Lechner to white bear with open arms! It would be a monstrous improvement over the current coach.

Sagar is a fine coach, he's very talented, and WB is fortunate to have him. They should keep him for many, many years. Please.

[East Side Pioneer Guy]

As a white bear fan, I would welcome Bill Lechner to white bear with open arms! It would be a monstrous improvement over the current coach.

That’s not saying much. Although I don’t recall him being very successful at Stillwater.

Whisler wasn't all that successful at Mahtomedi. But he did take Hill to 2 finals in 2 years, winning one.