Lake Placid June 2006

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:08 pm

http://www.usahockey.com/06_camps/main_ ... lect_1718/

The teams. Looking forward to following & seeing how things go for the Minnkota crew.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:47 pm

I'm curious and wondering if anyone has any insight or knowledge as to how the coaches of camp teams get a spot as a coach of a team for any of the various teams assembled in the LP camps? Is this done on a strictly volunteer basis? Or is there some sort of selection / appointment procedure? Thanks for any info.

girlshockey · Post by **girlshockey** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:48 pm

USA Hockey selects all of the coaches who participate at their girls camps. Each of the 11 Districts of USA Hockey (Minnkota for Minnesota, North and South Dakota) can recommend coaches for the camps. USA Hockey generally uses Division I, III, National Team Players, high school and this year are once again inviting "mentor" coaches from the amateur program for a Coaching Symposium. Criteria is that you must be registered with USA Hockey, coach a girls team that is registered with USA Hockey and be a level 3 or 4 coach. They try to include new coaches each year. Each District can also recommend Counselors for every camp. If anyone is interested in participating, contact Minnesota Hockey.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:01 pm

Thank you for that information. Now I have to confess why I inquired in the first place. It seems strange, and perhaps not entirely kosher (to me) to have current collegiate coaches also coaching teams / players in these camps. With some of the top players present who would also be starting their senior year before too long...wouldn't those circumstances be hugely advantagous for those coaches, at least potentially, in terms of contact with highly sought after / future recruits for their college teams? It just seems to me it amounts to a potential and considerable edge for such an individual / coach in terms of evaluation and general contact...perhaps to make a sales pitch for their collegiate hockey program...mabye in subtle fashion...or not so subtle. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong.

Also, are their any official calender dates involved per NCAA regulated contact bylaws?

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:26 pm

At the end of the first day...

http://www.usahockey.com/06_camps/main_ ... lect_1718/

Just a little surprised by only 1 goal for the Teal team. Then again...many, most players I know nothing about.

playfair · Post by **playfair** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:34 pm

You post a good question. I have a kid playing another sport at the D1 level and the rules are very strict. I would imagine that they are the same for all sports. Maybe not, but it does seem very unfair. I am going to go through the NCAA rules that I received and had to read. But then again hockey has it's own rules and seem to get by with everything.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:04 pm

playfair wrote:You post a good question. I have a kid playing another sport at the D1 level and the rules are very strict. I would imagine that they are the same for all sports. Maybe not, but it does seem very unfair. I am going to go through the NCAA rules that I received and had to read. But then again hockey has it's own rules and seem to get by with everything.

It is in the books as legit. I read this much in the spring, when I was trying to figure out why D1 coaches couldn't "coach" at P1 &/or P2 but could otherwise for NY. Hockey has NCAA exceptions for olympic development - (as do most sports?) - I believe. Each sport is unique, and its inherent schedule of off-season, in-season, festivals, recruiting quiet-periods, etc. all play into varrying degrees of complexity re: these "exceptions" from what I can tell.

Now, I won't say that it isn't an advantage for those coaches that get to coach the top players in the country at an olympic development level due to "exceptions." It is an advantage, no doubt! I believe that it actually has played a small factor in some of the better players in MN going out east in fact - but that is a good thing I believe for those players.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:19 pm

Not a bad thing for the player for sure, but not a fair / equitable situation for college hockey programs. That's a pretty big issue in my view. I don't think any coach should enjoy that obvious advantage when all coaches aren't also going to have that very beneficial opportunity. I'm going to edit this post with a related NCAA bylaw someone passed along to me...see what you might think.

Edit: Never mind on that bylaw I was planning to post. The interpretation is it specifically does NOT apply to a national camp. I think it should apply to ALL situations personally...in the interest of competitive equality. I definitely see it as an obstacle to parity if the same, apparently select one or two coaches are allowed to coach in national camps repeatedly.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:35 pm

P1/2 are "selection" based, so I assume that's why the D1 coaches can't participate in them. NY is NOT about selection - so they can?

this is the most relevant thing I could find quickly again this PM - and I think that this is related to the rationale behind why this is legit for NY but not P1/2...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/ ... _guide.pdf

Page 10

d. State, Regional, National or International
Training Programs or Competition
Participation by an institution’s athletics department
staff member with prospects involved in recognized
state, regional, national or international training
programs or competition organized and administered
by the applicable governing body or athletics authority
is not considered a tryout. An institution’s coach is not
permitted to participate only in noncoaching activities
(e.g., consultant, on-site coordinator, participant
selection) except as provided in Bylaws 13.11.3.4.2 and
13.11.3.4.3. [13.11.3.4]

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:41 pm

brookyone wrote:I think it should apply to ALL situations personally...in the interest of competitive equality. I definitely see it as an obstacle to parity if the same, apparently select one or two coaches are allowed to coach in national camps repeatedly.

I agree from a recruiting parity standpoint, but I think that kids lose out on the best experience possible re: having the best coaching under such a restriction?

While I think that most colleges still are going to go 1st to Canada (if not international), and then to the MWEHL/select East Cost AAA's, for top talent - it's nice to see out MN talent starting to get some notice esp. on the East Coast.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:30 pm

http://www.usahockey.com/06_camps/main_ ... lect_1718/

Just bumping up with results / stats after three games. Looks like the Teal team has the proverbial brick wall thus far in net...guess who.

hockeydad3 · Post by **hockeydad3** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:18 am

ghshockeyfan can you explain to me why if you already have a scholarship to play hockey do you need to go to Lake Placid? Also why do the same girls need to go if they have already been seen by the Olympic coaches?

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:04 am

hockeydad3 wrote:ghshockeyfan can you explain to me why if you already have a scholarship to play hockey do you need to go to Lake Placid? Also why do the same girls need to go if they have already been seen by the Olympic coaches?

No one "needs" to do anything. These kids have a "choice" to represent MN and experience the experience based on their talent and ability. If they choose to decline for any reason, then an alternate is sent in their place. Actually, some kids do decline for the very reason you state - "been there, done that," "give someone else a chance," "multi-sport athlete conflicts," etc. That's usually why you see some high-profile names not attending the tryouts, etc.

As to the 2nd part of the question, I think that many believe that it's an honor to be selected for such an honor, and some continue to go for that reason. Some may want to show that they still have interest beyond a scholarship/college playing career (maybe Olympic/National Team aspirations?).

One thing that I'm sure someone will assume is that it makes sense to NOT send the very best after a couple years. Meaning, leave them off intentionally to get other kids a "look." Great thought process, but when we send weaker kids in the spot of our best, then be ready to see out allocation of participation slots decline due to how they grade those kids. My understanding is that they constantly reevaluate each year allocations of slots to the regions based on how the kids grade relative to the nation. Meaning, if we can send many, many of the very top players not only in our region but also in the nation, then the chances of us retaining - and maybe even gaining - spots is good. If we just send kids that haven't made the trip before, we'll end up sending less & less kids as the chances are that they won't grade well and spots will be allocated to other regions vs. us in the future...

SO... Truly those kids that have scholarships locked up that go anyway to represent MN for this great honor are doing future players a favor by maintaining the high-level of talent that we are sending so that future players from our region have the same opportunity due to the maintaining or addition of spots...

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:16 pm

I've read this question several times in the past...and always been kind of puzzled by it, so I have to ask what may be a stupid question of my own. If the camps are geared to future Olympic team / player development in hopes of identifying and possibly training the best players in the country, what does the fact that such a player already has a scholarship...or has previously been seen by USA Hockey staff have to do with anything? Maybe I'm wrong, but these camps aren't about opportunity to land an athletic scholarship are they? Isn't that merely a potential fortunate byproduct of attendance? Also, if you are regarded as one of your districts top prospects, why wouldn't you be entitled to earn and be rewarded repeated invites to the camps? Basically, I'm not seeing any intended relationship between what USA Hockey hopes to accomplish with these camps and an individuals collegiate / academic aspirations. What am I not understanding?

In short, isn't this about hoping to find the best players to represent your country someday...period??

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:26 pm

I think you're right on the goal being the identification of top talent for potential participation one day at the National/Olympic level.

The reason that so many look at it as a college scholarship thing is that it seems that participation in NY means good potential scholarship chances obvioulsy too. And that is a nice byproduct, but not the organizers purpose???

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:01 pm

http://www.usahockey.com/06_camps/main_ ... lect_1516/

15/16 Rosters Posted...

puckfan11 · Post by **puckfan11** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:27 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:http://www.usahockey.com/06_camps/main_ ... lect_1516/

15/16 Rosters Posted...

I see that some teams are still being added (e.g. white and partial Royal)

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:43 pm

If you look at the top scorers & the top goaltenders with the camp concluded you have to be pretty encouraged...if you're a SCSU Husky fan.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:43 pm

Sorry, with a few exceptions, I'm far less familiar with the younger players so I'm linking a cheat sheet for myself to help spot them on the rosters.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/assorted ... hester.pdf

offsides · Post by **offsides** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:31 pm

Congratulations to Meaghan Pezon for leading all 88-89 NDPers in goals scored with 7 in 5 games.

gomnhky · Post by **gomnhky** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:27 am

Looks like Blaine will be producing another top end goalie. Does anyone know who provides the goalie instruction for that program and/or if they run any goalie camps or clinics for younger aged goalies?

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:53 am

gomnhky wrote:Looks like Blaine will be producing another top end goalie. Does anyone know who provides the goalie instruction for that program and/or if they run any goalie camps or clinics for younger aged goalies?

http://www.bgoski.com/simley/2006Guider.pdf

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:55 am

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brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:22 am

2006 USA Hockey National Women's Festival Participants

July 20, 2006

Emily Brookshaw, G, Jr., Bemidji State

Rachael Drazan, D, Minnesota Duluth

Maggie Fisher, F., So., Minnesota State

Angie Keseley, F, So., Wisconsin

Brittni Kuyper, D, Jr., St. Cloud State

Gigi Marvin, F, So., Minnesota

Erica McKenzie, F, Jr., Minnesota

Anya Miller, D, So., Minnesota

Former Minnesota high school hockey players well represented on the 40 player roster of those invited to participate in the U-22 festival.

Here's the list in it's entirety...

2006 USA Hockey National Women's Festival Participants

40 of nation's top U-22 players to compete in Lake Placid

July 20, 2006

Below is a list of the 40 players who will participate in USA Hockey's National Women's Festival, to be held August 15-22 in Lake Placid, N.Y. The players are listed alphabetically, along with their positions, schools and class standings (for the 2006-07 season).

Kacey Bellamy, D, So., New Hampshire

Kelli Blankenship, F, Fr., Minnesota

Emily Brookshaw, G, Jr., Bemidji State

Caitlin Cahow, D, Jr., Harvard

Lisa Chesson, D, Jr., Ohio State

Katherine Dineen, D, So., Princeton

Rachael Drazan, D, Minnesota Duluth

Carson Duggan, F, So., St. Lawrence

Sam Faber, F, So., New Hampshire

Maggie Fisher, F., So., Minnesota State

Annie Greenwood, F, So., Princeton

Kristin Gigliotti, D, Sr., Providence

Meaghan Guckian, G, Jr, St. Lawrence

Crysti Howser, F, So., Yale

Maggie Kennedy, F, So., Dartmouth

Angie Keseley, F, So., Wisconsin

Hilary Knight, F, HS Senior, Connecticut Polar Bears (NEGHL)

Jessica Koizumi, F, Sr., Minnesota Duluth

Brittni Kuyper, D, Jr., St. Cloud State

Erika Lawler, F, So., Wisconsin

Marianna Locke, F, So., St. Lawrence

Gigi Marvin, F, So., Minnesota

Erica McKenzie, F, Jr., Minnesota

Anya Miller, D, So., Minnesota

Hayley Moore, F, Jr., Brown

Katie Morrison, D, Jr., Clarkson

Sarah Newnam, D, So., Dartmouth

Sarah Parsons, F, Fr., Dartmouth

Nikki Petrich, F, Jr., Northeastern

Helen Resor, D, So., Yale

O'Hara Shipe, G, Jr., Brown

Jennifer Sifers, F, Sr., Harvard

Deborah Spillane, F, Jr., Boston College

Maggie Taverna. D, So., Boston College

Jessica Vetter, G, Jr., Wisconsin

Sonny Watrous, F, Sr., Providence

Sarah Wilson, F, So., Harvard

Sadie Wright-Ward, F, Jr., New Hampshire

Jinelle Zaugg, F, Jr., Wisconsin

Becky Zavisza, F, So., Boston College

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