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54fighting
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Is the program at Shattuck sanctioned by Minnesota Hockey. Are the registered as a Tier 1 team?
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looks like they'll have a prep team, two 18U teams (midget aa & aaa), a 16u team, a tier I bantam team and a bantam a team. i would assume that their bantam a team will play in district 4 again this year... and since they're now classified as an a team (as opposed to a tier II team as last year), they'll be registered through minnesota hockey and be eligible for post season play.
looks like they'll have a prep team, two 18U teams (midget aa & aaa), a 16u team, a tier I bantam team and a bantam a team. i would assume that their bantam a team will play in district 4 again this year... and since they're now classified as an a team (as opposed to a tier II team as last year), they'll be registered through minnesota hockey and be eligible for post season play.
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54fighting
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If my understanding is correct, you have to be sanctioned as a Tier 1 or Tier II team to play in the national tournaments. To my knowledge Shattuck is the only program within Minnesota Hockey that is allowed to do this.
Is there any reason for this? Are the pockets just to deep at Shattuck to try and fight them?
It seems odd to me that if an average joe tried to put together a Tier 1 team from Minnesota to compete on the national level with teams like the Mission and Chill out of Chicago or Honeybaked and Compuware out of Detroit they would be laughed out of the meeting room.
Anyone have any answers? Elliott?
Is there any reason for this? Are the pockets just to deep at Shattuck to try and fight them?
It seems odd to me that if an average joe tried to put together a Tier 1 team from Minnesota to compete on the national level with teams like the Mission and Chill out of Chicago or Honeybaked and Compuware out of Detroit they would be laughed out of the meeting room.
Anyone have any answers? Elliott?
Edina/Bloomington and some others did participate in the nationals back in the 60's and early 70's and did win a few times.
Today, there are issues with the age difference as this year's National Bantam Tier 1 tourney is for players born in 1992 or later. Minnesota Bantam teams will have late 1991 born players and therefore are not eligible. Shattuck's Tier 1 Bantam team will have all 1992 born players (maybe 1 or 2 93's).
Take away 1991 born players, and no MN association would be able to compete with Tier 1 teams at nationals and they could barely keep up with top Tier 2 teams.
There are also issues with insurance as Minnesota Hockey insurance does not cover games beyond the Minn/Dak district.
Shattuck Bantam tier 2 team competing in D4 is news to me. Last year's Tier 1 team lost to Edina Bantam A's and several other teams made strong showings against them. Shattuck's real strength is at the Prep level when they get stronger transfers as players approach graduation age. The tier 2 team (now Bantam A, I guess) will fit into D4 just fine.
Today, there are issues with the age difference as this year's National Bantam Tier 1 tourney is for players born in 1992 or later. Minnesota Bantam teams will have late 1991 born players and therefore are not eligible. Shattuck's Tier 1 Bantam team will have all 1992 born players (maybe 1 or 2 93's).
Take away 1991 born players, and no MN association would be able to compete with Tier 1 teams at nationals and they could barely keep up with top Tier 2 teams.
There are also issues with insurance as Minnesota Hockey insurance does not cover games beyond the Minn/Dak district.
Shattuck Bantam tier 2 team competing in D4 is news to me. Last year's Tier 1 team lost to Edina Bantam A's and several other teams made strong showings against them. Shattuck's real strength is at the Prep level when they get stronger transfers as players approach graduation age. The tier 2 team (now Bantam A, I guess) will fit into D4 just fine.
Nationals
MN Hockey Board (via committee) is studying the idea of participating at Tier II nationals.
We have had very good contenders at Tier II. Tier II is not community based as we are.
The problem is committment. If you say you will go, you must go. Sanctions do come forth from this issue. And they are all encompassing meaning women, junior and senior hockey could be suspended from participation if we failed at the youth level.
Another problem is cost (especillay short notice air fare).
And yet another problem is the comparison of MN state tourney to the national event. It has been a great let down for those that have experienced it in the past.
And, of course, the age difference. This may not (but may) be a problem for large associations, but the small ones will have to force kids to the JV level if an association decides to compete for nationals.
As of right now the age level is such to accomodate 2 years of pee wees, 2 years bantams move to HS in 10th grade (for most).
Hope this helps.
Oh, and Shattuck is not your typical community based program and was given the opportunity to participate at certain levels. I have not been involved in how that is set up so cannot give an details becasue I do not know them.
We have had very good contenders at Tier II. Tier II is not community based as we are.
The problem is committment. If you say you will go, you must go. Sanctions do come forth from this issue. And they are all encompassing meaning women, junior and senior hockey could be suspended from participation if we failed at the youth level.
Another problem is cost (especillay short notice air fare).
And yet another problem is the comparison of MN state tourney to the national event. It has been a great let down for those that have experienced it in the past.
And, of course, the age difference. This may not (but may) be a problem for large associations, but the small ones will have to force kids to the JV level if an association decides to compete for nationals.
As of right now the age level is such to accomodate 2 years of pee wees, 2 years bantams move to HS in 10th grade (for most).
Hope this helps.
Oh, and Shattuck is not your typical community based program and was given the opportunity to participate at certain levels. I have not been involved in how that is set up so cannot give an details becasue I do not know them.
Don't get it
So, putting aside the costs and travel, is it permissible for someone put together a Tier I team using birth year with the thought they would compete nationally instead of in state? If so, what are the restrictions?
As I recall, this issue came up on the girls U19 level last year - and since the Thoroughbreds and Shattuck could do it - other club teams (girls from various public and private high schools) were allowed to do it last year.
Especially for girls or boys high school kids, I see no reason not to allow U16 or U19 aged kids go play for a national title if they want to spend the doe before and after the high school season is over.
In fact, wouldn't there be legal issues with allowing only Shattuck and the T-Breds to do it at various levels but not other clubs and organizations?
As I recall, this issue came up on the girls U19 level last year - and since the Thoroughbreds and Shattuck could do it - other club teams (girls from various public and private high schools) were allowed to do it last year.
Especially for girls or boys high school kids, I see no reason not to allow U16 or U19 aged kids go play for a national title if they want to spend the doe before and after the high school season is over.
In fact, wouldn't there be legal issues with allowing only Shattuck and the T-Breds to do it at various levels but not other clubs and organizations?
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The answer to the question is complicated. There are many more factors that come in play. First and formost is money. The cost of a tier one team is much more expensive then any association team. Second is talent. Associations just dont have enough talent. A district would. Third is travel You travel they travel if your Team isn't worth p[laying you do all the travel. Fourth is a league. You would need to be invited. Fifth is the amount of games. Sixth The season starts a month before we here even register. Seventh is the commitment level of players the club and coaches. (Coaching is deffinately paid for). In a nutshelll Even with the blessing of MN hockey This would be a difficult team to put on the ice and maintain.