After watching 2/3 of the season go by, I still can't figure out if the Referee's know what to call or not to call. I am all for getting rid of the clutch and grab and hooking/stickwork calls, and for the most part, the refs have done a good job with that. But, what I've seen get called this year and not get called leaves me spellbound and torn as to what to teach our kids or not to teach, for that matter.
We got a penalty in our defensive zone this year for lifting a stick. The ref called an interference penalty saying we impeded the players ability to shoot the puck. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Is anyone else out there feeling the innept/unclear ref'ing this year?
Penalty or No Penalty
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Re: Penalty or No Penalty
Yes Completely confused!titleist wrote:After watching 2/3 of the season go by, I still can't figure out if the Referee's know what to call or not to call. I am all for getting rid of the clutch and grab and hooking/stickwork calls, and for the most part, the refs have done a good job with that. But, what I've seen get called this year and not get called leaves me spellbound and torn as to what to teach our kids or not to teach, for that matter.
We got a penalty in our defensive zone this year for lifting a stick. The ref called an interference penalty saying we impeded the players ability to shoot the puck. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Is anyone else out there feeling the innept/unclear ref'ing this year?
From what I have read the stick is to be used to handle the puck or take the puck away from your opponent. It is not to be used to hook your opponent’s body parts. The stick can be used to lift your opponent’s stick to gain control of the puck but not over your waist and then head and then down the other side as we have seen time and time again.
If the player does not have the puck, LEAVE them ALONE or it is Interference.
If you chop at any part of the stick other than the blade and especially by the hands it should be a slashing penalty. I though the USA video was pretty clear, but I have not seen to many games played, the way was it was intended to be played.
Maybe they need to get all the Refs in one building like they do with the youth coaches and show them what to look for and call.
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From what I've seen the officiating has improved since the start of the season. At the beginning there were just too many calls, many imaginary, that really disrupted the game. There are still some questionable calls, and there always will be, but not so many as before.
One that I'm still confused over however is to what extent a defensive player skating backwards may "play the body" in a conventional sense without being called for interference. Two scenarios:
1. It's along the boards and the offensive player tries to squeeze past, and the defensive player rides her into the boards with her body without throwing a check (no overt shove or push with her shoulder, arms or hands). Sometimes this is called, sometimes it is not and it's a difficult situation for the D.
2. It's away from the boards and the D follows the offensive player's moves and impedes her progress after the puck goes through and behind. Here it's a matter of degree and how long the offensive player is held up, whether or not the stick or arms are being used to create an interference situation, and how quickly the D turns to retrieve the puck after it slides behind her.
Certainly in boys and college mens' hockey the defensemen get a lot of latitude in these situations, and I don't see any reason why girls high school players should get the same treatment as long as no body checks are being thrown and the stick isn't being used. But I've seen a lot of variation on this depending on the ref and how the game is going otherwise, and I wish the refs would be more consistent.
One that I'm still confused over however is to what extent a defensive player skating backwards may "play the body" in a conventional sense without being called for interference. Two scenarios:
1. It's along the boards and the offensive player tries to squeeze past, and the defensive player rides her into the boards with her body without throwing a check (no overt shove or push with her shoulder, arms or hands). Sometimes this is called, sometimes it is not and it's a difficult situation for the D.
2. It's away from the boards and the D follows the offensive player's moves and impedes her progress after the puck goes through and behind. Here it's a matter of degree and how long the offensive player is held up, whether or not the stick or arms are being used to create an interference situation, and how quickly the D turns to retrieve the puck after it slides behind her.
Certainly in boys and college mens' hockey the defensemen get a lot of latitude in these situations, and I don't see any reason why girls high school players should get the same treatment as long as no body checks are being thrown and the stick isn't being used. But I've seen a lot of variation on this depending on the ref and how the game is going otherwise, and I wish the refs would be more consistent.
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1. It's along the boards and the offensive player tries to squeeze past, and the defensive player rides her into the boards with her body without throwing a check (no overt shove or push with her shoulder, arms or hands). Sometimes this is called, sometimes it is not and it's a difficult situation for the D.
2. It's away from the boards and the D follows the offensive player's moves and impedes her progress after the puck goes through and behind. Here it's a matter of degree and how long the offensive player is held up, whether or not the stick or arms are being used to create an interference situation, and how quickly the D turns to retrieve the puck after it slides behind her.
Typically #1 is Angling and a great Defensive move as long as your arms or shoulders are not extended. If you already have that position it is suppose to be yours.
# 2 IF the player is going out of there way to slow down the other player it needs to be called and I guess I would allow about 1 seconds worth of contact to happen if I were calling it.
I have seen where a girl turned to go to the player bench and the opposing player collided with her totally unprovoked and of course the bigger stronger girl got the penalty.
But the best one was a girl went in hard to the board the other player moved out of the way the ref was not even looking at the time he herd the bang against the board put his hand in the air turned around and called a penalty on the girl getting out of the way she never even touched her.
sometimes I wish the refs would talk it over befor they make those calls.
1. It's along the boards and the offensive player tries to squeeze past, and the defensive player rides her into the boards with her body without throwing a check (no overt shove or push with her shoulder, arms or hands). Sometimes this is called, sometimes it is not and it's a difficult situation for the D.
2. It's away from the boards and the D follows the offensive player's moves and impedes her progress after the puck goes through and behind. Here it's a matter of degree and how long the offensive player is held up, whether or not the stick or arms are being used to create an interference situation, and how quickly the D turns to retrieve the puck after it slides behind her.
Typically #1 is Angling and a great Defensive move as long as your arms or shoulders are not extended. If you already have that position it is suppose to be yours.
# 2 IF the player is going out of there way to slow down the other player it needs to be called and I guess I would allow about 1 seconds worth of contact to happen if I were calling it.
I have seen where a girl turned to go to the player bench and the opposing player collided with her totally unprovoked and of course the bigger stronger girl got the penalty.
But the best one was a girl went in hard to the board the other player moved out of the way the ref was not even looking at the time he herd the bang against the board put his hand in the air turned around and called a penalty on the girl getting out of the way she never even touched her.
sometimes I wish the refs would talk it over befor they make those calls.