Richfield @ St Thomas Academy 2-8-07

[HShockeywatcher]

If someone asks you how your day was, are they expecting a one word answer? No, they are starting a conversation. If we wanted just a one word answer, why even post when there's a poll. This is a DISCUSSION board. C'mon powder, if you're going to make fun of me, at least have it make sense.

[Zeke16]

ostthomasmyhome must be a little cranky these days that nobody can have a prediction that his little Cadets might lose

[power92]

I forgot, this is how you get your post total jacked up.....starting little stupid arguments. I'm starting to think you're a chick.
Just remember mouthrunner ,there are no stupid questions, just stupid people who ask questions. Keep that in mind next time you post.
Thanks

Good edit BTW.

[Screaming Buffalo]

3-2 Spartans. Richfield can't score more than that but either can the cadets against guggs. No question.

[HShockeywatcher]

Starting stupid little arguments? I believe it is your who started this one, if that's what it turns into.

The number of posts I have gets so high because I have had that many things I wanted to say about things, and I did. Somehow people think (and have yet to explain how it'll work) that when Richfield couldn't score at all at home they will walk into the St Thomas Ice Arena and score 3 or 4 goals.

[stars612]

Are you talking to me? I don't think the Cadets will walk over the Spartans. I think this will be a replay of the Wild/Coyotes game the other day. I think St Thomas will win by a goal and it will be intense the whole time. That's all I got.

I was directing my post towards Ocanada, not you.

[DENIED]

King and his court strike again!

Richfield 3
St. Thomas 1

[HShockeywatcher]

You have to strike a first time to do it again buddy.

[topshelf10]

Keep in mind that although Richfield has Guggs... St. Thomas has AARON CRANDALL!!! Guggenberger will need about 45 saves to keep Richfield remotely close. Plus, I do not see Richfield scoring more than 1 goal in this game. Scanlon or Hill are basically their only chances of getting a shot. Richfield has no defense besides Guggenberger. The kid will not be able to stop Lee, Walters, and Larson for three periods. I went to the game at Richfield. It looked like STA was on the powerplay the entire game. I predict....

STA 4
Richfield 0

[leftWinger15]

he stopped larson furne and zepada for 3

[rayfinkel]

[quote="topshelf10"]Keep in mind that although Richfield has Guggs... St. Thomas has AARON CRANDALL!!! Guggenberger will need about 45 saves to keep Richfield remotely close. Plus, I do not see Richfield scoring more than 1 goal in this game. Scanlon or Hill are basically their only chances of getting a shot. Richfield has no defense besides Guggenberger. The kid will not be able to stop Lee, Walters, and Larson for three periods. I went to the game at Richfield. It looked like STA was on the powerplay the entire game. I predict....

Well my friend Guggenberger had 48 saves against hill and kept richfield close and i really dont think that st thomas will get 51 shots on goal. AARON CRANDALL! isnt that great of a goalie, hes solid but very capable of letting in 2 goals which is all Richfield will need.

2-1 spartans

[topshelf10]

oooo ok Aaron Crandall is not that great of a goalie.... 1.43 GAA and 5 shutouts

[goalieguy1]

Topshelf: We've had this discussion on another thread - I believe it's the 3A thread - but it's been pretty well established that Crandall is a very ordinary goalie who's lucky enough to play on a very good team. Nothing against him personally, I'm sure he's a great kid, but he's simply a product of the STA team's ability. Put him on an ordinary team like a SSP or Richfield or Northfield, and he'd have a GAA of about 4.00.

Look at STA's results this year, and tell us which of STA's wins were because of him. They could have used any of the 50 or so competent high school goalies in Minnesota and their record would be exactly the same.

[gongshow]

Topshelf: We've had this discussion on another thread - I believe it's the 3A thread - but it's been pretty well established that Crandall is a very ordinary goalie who's lucky enough to play on a very good team. Nothing against him personally, I'm sure he's a great kid, but he's simply a product of the STA team's ability. Put him on an ordinary team like a SSP or Richfield or Northfield, and he'd have a GAA of about 4.00.

Look at STA's results this year, and tell us which of STA's wins were because of him. They could have used any of the 50 or so competent high school goalies in Minnesota and their record would be exactly the same.

I agree. Solid goalie but wont win any games for them

[topshelf10]

[quote="goalieguy1"]Topshelf: We've had this discussion on another thread - I believe it's the 3A thread - but it's been pretty well established that Crandall is a very ordinary goalie who's lucky enough to play on a very good team. [\quote]

Very ordinary goalies dont make top teams in state... you going to call Hause, Webb, and Phillipi ordinary too?

Also, keep in mind that Richfield will need to score a goal in order to win the game which is something they could not accomplish at home.

[goalieguy1]

Topshelf: "Very ordinary goalies dont make top teams in state... you going to call Hause, Webb, and Phillipi ordinary too?"

Are you nuts? Ordinary goalies wind up on top teams all the time. Often they grow up in systems - Bloomington, Eden Prarie, Moorhead - where they go through squirts, peewees and bantams while rarely being tested. They stand in goal and make seven saves a game while their team wins 10-1. Later they go 22-3 during a high school season in which they average 14 stops a game, they graduate and no one ever hears from them again.

Can you give me a list of great goalies from Bloomington, Moorhead or Duluth East? How many Division I goalies have these schools produced in the past 10 years?

Austin Lee MIGHT be an exception, but he hasn't proven anything beyond high school yet. Crandall - who, as I said, is probably a fine kid, so this isn't any kind of personal attack - is an ordinary goalie who will never play anywhere serious after high school. Any scout, or anyone who knows about the technical aspects of goaltending, will tell you the same thing.

[rayfinkel]

Topshelf: "Very ordinary goalies dont make top teams in state... you going to call Hause, Webb, and Phillipi ordinary too?"

Are you nuts? Ordinary goalies wind up on top teams all the time. Often they grow up in systems - Bloomington, Eden Prarie, Moorhead - where they go through squirts, peewees and bantams while rarely being tested. They stand in goal and make seven saves a game while their team wins 10-1. Later they go 22-3 during a high school season in which they average 14 stops a game, they graduate and no one ever hears from them again.

Can you give me a list of great goalies from Bloomington, Moorhead or Duluth East? How many Division I goalies have these schools produced in the past 10 years?

Austin Lee MIGHT be an exception, but he hasn't proven anything beyond high school yet. Crandall - who, as I said, is probably a fine kid, so this isn't any kind of personal attack - is an ordinary goalie who will never play anywhere serious after high school. Any scout, or anyone who knows about the technical aspects of goaltending, will tell you the same thing.

I agree with most of the stuff you said but Austin Lee has proven quiet a bit since highschool.

.917 SAVE%(30.6 spg)
2.66 GAA

however the only goalie i can think of from those teams that played d1 is Adam Coole and soon to be Austin Lee.

[goalieguy1]

As I said, Lee may prove to be an exception. But he's only playing Tier II juniors right now. We'll see what he does at Mankato.

And Coole was a good catch...Very good goalie, and a super kid as well.

A great example of what I'm talking about would be Greg Stutz, who had three state tournament shutouts for Centennial when they won it. I'm sure everyone at Centennial thought he was some sort of superstar goalie, but in fact he was just an ordinary goalie who played on a great team. (Again, I'm not putting him down personally, I'm just trying to refute Topshelf's nonsensical contention that "ordinary goalies don't make top teams in state."

The scouts knew that Stutz was ordinary: That's why there were 10 goalies taken before him in that year's USHL draft. And as far as I know, he never did anything in the USHL, won only one game at St. Mary's, and I don't know if he's even playing hockey anymore.

Come back in three years and we'll be saying the same things about Crandall.

[rayfinkel]

As I said, Lee may prove to be an exception. But he's only playing Tier II juniors right now. We'll see what he does at Mankato.

And Coole was a good catch...Very good goalie, and a super kid as well.

A great example of what I'm talking about would be Greg Stutz, who had three state tournament shutouts for Centennial when they won it. I'm sure everyone at Centennial thought he was some sort of superstar goalie, but in fact he was just an ordinary goalie who played on a great team. (Again, I'm not putting him down personally, I'm just trying to refute Topshelf's nonsensical contention that "ordinary goalies don't make top teams in state."

The scouts knew that Stutz was ordinary: That's why there were 10 goalies taken before him in that year's USHL draft. And as far as I know, he never did anything in the USHL, won only one game at St. Mary's, and I don't know if he's even playing hockey anymore.

Come back in three years and we'll be saying the same things about Crandall.

Agreed! Just so you know Stutz is still at ST. Mary's playing on ther JV team, Great example by the way.

[HShockeywatcher]

I'm going to shoot myself for getting into this because I know goalieguy will always have the last word on this, but in the 3A thread we never came to a conclusion about Crandall, you came to your own conclusion about him.
He has five shut outs while Phillippi only has one. Sure he didn't win those games for the team, but they are in the same conference so it is a fair comparison.
You could easily argue that it was because of him they won the Red Wing game. I wasn't there, but the shots on goal were very similar and I heard St Thomas wasn't doing so hot.
How bout the tie against Minnetonka. Shots were 39-32 Skippers.
Or you probably weren't at the Edina game. If it wasn't for the poor defense that game St Thomas would've been on the winner's side of the bracket. The one mistake he made that whole game was the was that ended the game. But it was because of him they were even in OT, he made 3-5 saves that no 'ordinary' goalie would make.
I'm not going to sit here and defend him and say he's the best goalie in the world, because he's not. He is a good player that can do amazing things who also scores on himself from time to time. So yes, I will admit he is just an above average goalie right now, but you can't take away all the good things he has because he is not amazing.

As for tonight, the first time they played, he was good enough to have 0 GA against Richfield. Which is really all that matters tonight.

[HShockeywatcher]

anyone with a final?

[gopherhockey33]

i thought i heard 4-0 STA but i could be way off

[Zamman]

Keep in mind that although Richfield has Guggs... St. Thomas has AARON CRANDALL!!! Guggenberger will need about 45 saves to keep Richfield remotely close. Plus, I do not see Richfield scoring more than 1 goal in this game. Scanlon or Hill are basically their only chances of getting a shot. Richfield has no defense besides Guggenberger. The kid will not be able to stop Lee, Walters, and Larson for three periods. I went to the game at Richfield. It looked like STA was on the powerplay the entire game. I predict....

STA 4
Richfield 0

Here is the winner. STA 4 Richfield 0

[gopherhockey33]

good call topshelf.

[topshelf10]

Did I not say the final would be....

STA 4
Richfield 0

By the way STA had 54 shots

4-0 is the FINAL