What do you think about St. Thomas?

[spin-o-rama]

That second D8 rule seems a bit redundant. It is already against the rules for MH teams to play non or improperly registered usa/mn hockey teams. And why would you make an exception for a tournament? It would still be a violation. This seems like an action to discourage scheduling teams like the Fire. So even if usa hockey says they are properly registered, the DD could rule differently.

[muckandgrind]

That second D8 rule seems a bit redundant. It is already against the rules for MH teams to play non or improperly registered usa/mn hockey teams. And why would you make an exception for a tournament? It would still be a violation. This seems like an action to discourage scheduling teams like the Fire. So even if usa hockey says they are properly registered, the DD could rule differently.

Don't MN Hockey affilliated hockey teams play the Fire already? I know that Edina and Eden Prairie have played games (maybe just scrimmages) against the Fire as well as the Colorado Thunderbirds.

[spin-o-rama]

my suspicion is that this would be a way for D8 to wrongly justify restricting their teams from playing the Fire - or whatever team. IIRC, D2 didn't let their teams play the Fire last year. This D8 rule would give the appearance of being non-arbitrary in comparison to the D2 restriction.

This rule seems to be like the Tour de France director's statement that Lance Armstrong won't be given a free pass in 2009 and will have to be drug tested the same as all the other bikers. Duh! It was just a cheap shot to insinuate that he has been cheating.

If usa hockey and wisconsin hockey (in regards to the Fire) say that a team is properly registered, that should be good enough.

Maybe I'm way off base on what they are trying to accomplish with this rule, but what else can you expect with the silly lakeville and tonka rules being passed?

[elliott70]

Make it simple. If you reside in the school district, then you should must play in that district. The only exception is if you choose to attend a private school, then you can participate in their pre-high school hockey program.

Don't change the waiver policy.

This eliminates the potential madness of open enrolling elementary school kids and allows kids to play with their classmates.

Policy written, now vote on it. Keep it simple to eliminate confusion and wild interpretations.

That would work on the face of it.

If you are enrolled as a 9th grader you can play bantams at that school.
Problem: Some guy with lots of money and the desire to 'win'; recruits 15 8th grade hockey studs to private school XYZ for 9th grade, pays their tuition, sets up a team.
Is that fair to others, to the 15, to the school?

It is a starting place, but whenever you allow a team to be put together you have AAA hockey.

So I have a 3 rink arena system in a south suburb. I would like to have 15 kids play for me. If MH does not give me association status perhaps I hire a teacher or two and school these kids in the upstairsmeeting room and have my own private school.

When you open a door, you have to know what other doors may open at the same time.

My theme remains the same, proceed with caution, but proceed.

[elliott70]

Now, St Thomas (as to what they are trying to do this year) is not an association. Prior Lake is allowing transfers to their organization with the intent of putting certain players together to form a team with a basis of St Thomas students. They will be a Prior Lake team under D6.
(If they get the players via waivers.)

Understood - I guess this is my point (kind of). Instead of saying no across the board MN hockey said no to affiliate agreements so they are not preventing teams from being formed - thus putting the onus on the districts and associations to interpret what MH means (or wants). Under MH's current guidelines if a group can get an association and district to go agree theoratically any special team can be formed.

I can't say I'm against the private school idea, there is at least a certain amount of restriction based on school attendance. By not clarifying who can or can't be an association and what kinds of teams an association can sponsor MH is opening itself up to all star teams being created under the name of any association willing to pimp itself out to whomever is willing to pay.

Exactly.
My first action on the discernment committee was a proposal to define an association and then define a district.
I was told we were not there for solutions we needed to find a system.
So I went along with it. One year later.....

If I can swing it to be in Rochester tomorrow, old one eye (that's me; temporarily we hope) plans to generate some excitement to finding a solution.[/b][/u]

[sorno82]

If you are enrolled as a 9th grader you can play bantams at that school.
Problem: Some guy with lots of money and the desire to 'win'; recruits 15 8th grade hockey studs to private school XYZ for 9th grade, pays their tuition, sets up a team.
Is that fair to others, to the 15, to the school?

My answer-who cares? If someone wants to spend $150K for a Bantam championship, let them try. We can all sit back and laugh at them. Chances are they would lose to one of the big suburban teams that decided to stick together. Hardly any team wins with nothing but allstars.

I would add the bantam team must support a MSHSL team in order to be condsidered a prospective team. This keeps the home schoolers from going all wacky on you. The simple proposal got a little more complicated, but just create the MSHSL team as top of the pyramid, and let schools set up their program that fits their needs. This alleviates associations from developing kids that will not "graduate" to the high school or Jr. Gold teams.

[HockeyFan55]

I've posted similar, and don't understand why the Metro area private schools don't just forget MN Hockey, and form their own league. It's not difficult to self insure. No rules, except the ones the league creates, and no waivers.

Instead of the private parents complaining, do some leg work, and get this moving.

[buttend]

Move that, no District 8 team shall be allowed to schedule a game, scrimmage or host/invite to a tournament any team that has been identified by the District 8 Director and/or Registrar as a team, with Minnesota Hockey eligible players, that has not complied with Minnesota Hockey’s waiver policy. Teams and/or associations that are found in violation of this policy are subject to further disciplinary action from District 8. This does apply to the incidental playing of a non-compliant team as part of a tournament hosted outside of District 8. "

That second D8 rule seems a bit redundant. It is already against the rules for MH teams to play non or improperly registered usa/mn hockey teams. And why would you make an exception for a tournament? It would still be a violation. This seems like an action to discourage scheduling teams like the Fire. So even if usa hockey says they are properly registered, the DD could rule differently.

Did this pass? I looked at the meeting minutes, no mention of its passing?

The MN Hockey policies on waivers are set up for player movement between Associations and Districts within Minnesota. This policy as written does not affect the Fire. The Minnesota kids playing on the Fire do not need a waiver because their movement is outside of MN Hockey.

Why doesn't District 8 just come out say you can't play the Fire because we dont like them! They are a Tier1 AAA Affiliate sanctioned in Wisconsin under WI/USA Hockey Rules and Regulations. It would be clear and simple. But District 8 just passed a motion to allow River Falls, Hudson and Onalaska to participate in District 8 for the 2008/09 season. All three are Affiliates sanctioned in Wisconsin under WI/USA Hockey Rules and Regulations.

[zboni99]

PLSHA board meeting minutes:

2007-12-03 December STA ice bill $9652.5
2008-02-04 STA ice bill up to $8000
2008-03-05 St. Thomas ready to negotiate for ice next season
2008-04-07 STA ice recap 195 hours, STA ice projections 200 hours,
PLSHA commits for 200-250 hours @ $200 hour. 40-50k

Nothing about STA until August then just a mention about Jr. Gold and STA

Now an affiliate agreement between STA and PLSHA???

It doesn't really matter to me but, maybe all of D6 should have a say in these agreements, like a vote. Maybe the vote should be weighted on association size or revenue the association brings to the district. So say if an association brings 40 percent of the D6 revenue then they get 4 of 10 votes on all district matters.

I checked this out because every time my kids have skated at STA the ice times were completely filled by PLSHA.

[lxhockey]

In case zboni99, SEMetro and council member retired didn't know it yet, PL just opened the doors on it's new 2nd sheet of ice at Dakotah. So I think you are missing the target on what you are implying. But I do think there is a method to the madness and it probably ties more to the Jr. Gold relation and the board member(s) former and current that have kids at STA or will be going to STA. Let's watch as the pieces come together in the next month.

[SEMetro]

In case zboni99, SEMetro and council member retired didn't know it yet, PL just opened the doors on it's new 2nd sheet of ice at Dakotah. So I think you are missing the target on what you are implying. But I do think there is a method to the madness and it probably ties more to the Jr. Gold relation and the board member(s) former and current that have kids at STA or will be going to STA. Let's watch as the pieces come together in the next month.

I am very confident that several associations closer to STA wanted STA ice time this year.

[lxhockey]

Early bird gets the worm experience I guess. PL has had a 3 year contract with STA for progressively more ice each year. Maybe their ice need will subside now that they have a 2nd sheet.

[SEMetro]

"Early bird" or "community hockey association willing to create private Catholic team to get a leg up on other community hockey associations"?

[lxhockey]

Is there someone on the posted PL Bantam A roster that shouldn't be there?

[observer]

Can you be a little more clear? Who? And why shouldn't he be there?

[zboni99]

I don't care so much that STA is in D6 hosted by PL. I just pointed out the fact that the two are intertwined financially. I am more concerned about the process of the host agreement. Is this something that is voted on by all members of D6 or does the DD just approve the agreement. The D6, 8/08, meeting minutes don't add any color. Was there a vote? If so, let's see a roll call. All this should be public information for everyone to read. If it soley up to the DD to approve then say that in the minutes. Why is metro league handlling this? Isn't STA a BB1 team. They might also have a Jr. Gold team so that might explain it.
We play STA so I hope they have a good BB1 team and not an A team playing BB1. I also hope they don't have a BB2 team playing BB1.