lakeville south has a solid defense 1st line is amazingly deep.
burnsville first line d are among the best in state
eagan has unstoppable d too
Best defense in the state
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you,re wrong lakeville eagan and burnsville are all strong defensivley especially the first linesbreakout wrote:spankdamonkey11 wrote:lakeville south has a solid defense 1st line is amazingly deep.
burnsville first line d are among the best in state
eagan has unstoppable d too
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First of all, the question is best defensive unit, which implies that its about defensemen and makes the question the question about their contribution both offensively and defensively.HShockeywatcher wrote:I'll make this short (hopefully) as this is wasting so much of my time. I go to a few games, post my opinions and people attack me for having some certain bias.
-I would disagree that receiving a lot of shots is all on the defense. It is also what you do with those shots that makes your defense so good. Keeping the puck in the opponent's zone is offense. It may happen by player who have a D by their name in the program, but that is offense.
-The luxury I am referring to is a tough schedule. Use numbers all you want, but the teams on their schedule aren't great. I'm not ripping on the schedule, I don't dislike the program, I don't have anything against the team at all, they looked like a good team that will probably do well at state if they can stay out of the box. I simply don't think they have a very tough schedule.
-In the Tonka game, East faced 22 shots, although very few of them were quality shots. The puck was rarely in their end, a sign of good offense. Officially Willie Paul faced 39 shots, although I counted numerous that weren't counted. That's an amazing save percentage, as well as good defense being played. How teams do are not in the numbers, though.
Have fun tearing my opinion apart again.
Because hockey is such an up and down game, it is very hard to seperate defense from offense, after all, a solid forecheck is very good defense but it happens in the offensive zone. The decision of a d-man to pinch is often a critical moment in the game, so a solid defense is not just played in the defensive zone and should not be judged like that. The quote, "the best defense is a good offense" kind of sums it up. Keeping the puck in the opponents zone with a solid forecheck and well timed pinches is definitely defense if these things didn't happen there would be many more odd man rushes and probably more goals. A cross ice pass by a defenseman at the point that is picked off gives up a break away, however it is an offensive move. Sloppy offense and passing make a defense bad. You should not try to take the individually because you will miss a lot of the things that cause goals to be given up.
I in no way put the shot total on the defense alone, but it is a good indicator of play. Also, knowing how St. Thomas plays, they generally don't take garbage shots and the Marshall defense should have been able to cut down on the shots. 50 shots is way to many, no matter how many were garbage.
The Minnesota Wild allow very few shots a game and play some of the best in zone defense, however no one claims that they have the best defensive unit because they give up far to many odd man rushes and aren't as effective as some at breaking the puck out or holding the offensive zone. Detroit, San Jose, Anaheim, Nashville, Montreal and maybe a couple others that I can not think of at the time all have a better defensive unit than the Wild because of the reasons listed in my second paragraph.
Just because Duluth East doesn't have to play in zone defense as much, doesn't mean it is not better, but since that isn't even the argument, I shouldn't have said it.
I don't care who you are or what your opinion is one St. Thomas or other private schools. I think you are completely wrong about your post and am discussing why I think you are completely offbase. This is a forum for discussion. Quit acting so offended everytime some one disagrees with you. Get over yourself and don't take everything so personally.
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I am not offended that people disagree with me, in fact I expect most to at this point, many simply on principal it seems. What takes me off guard, though, is that things I state as my opinion people tell me are wrong. You have a differing opinion than me, while it doesn't change mine, I respect it.
I disagree that (from what I'm getting from your post) that an active offense is a good defense. I can agree to disagree if you can, but in my opinion, that is simply offense. I can think of countless analogies to other sports here.
Additionally, if we can now say that the being strong offensively is a defensive tactic, then teams with the most high powered offense would take over the need for defense.
I disagree that (from what I'm getting from your post) that an active offense is a good defense. I can agree to disagree if you can, but in my opinion, that is simply offense. I can think of countless analogies to other sports here.
Additionally, if we can now say that the being strong offensively is a defensive tactic, then teams with the most high powered offense would take over the need for defense.
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Defense creates offense
Not the other way around.