#4 Duluth East vs Cretin

HoundHockeyFanatic · Post by **HoundHockeyFanatic** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:50 pm

I bet the majority of the Cretin supporters haven't seen East play. Just wait and see how amazing our defense is. If the Hounds played as well as they did against Elk River this game shouldn't be a problem for the Hounds. All of the defensemen had the game of their lives and if Tardy plays as well as he did, the Hounds should win this. They are not satisfied with just being in the tourney, they are in it to win it.

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:31 pm

CDH and their staff will have a good idea about just how good DE is. Anyone without a serious grudge knows the Hounds are one the most talented squads in the state. With that said, I think CDH has an outside chance of winning this one. CDH has quick, clever forwards and Walsh is a very solid goalie. Could be close. Mark Alt will have a great showing, as will CDH's 2nd line. DE obviously has some horses, especially on D with Forbert etc. I am expecting a very physical game with lots of shots and not a lot of goals. Both teams are well-rounded, relatively inconsistent and very well coached but DE is simply the stronger team. I see DE as the most physically strong team in the tourney.

5-3 DE.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:16 pm

wtbearlk1111 wrote:ehshack when you lose you will just make up some excuses for your loss like against century

Nope I forsee Matt Cooper and Joe Arbour playing in this game.

I am kinda excited to see Alt play, with all the hype I have heard about him it will be interesting to see how the Hounds handle it.
Hopefully

5

2, but I dont know enough about CDH to predict a final, but I believe East will win this thing on D and Tardy.

Guns N' Roses · Post by **Guns N' Roses** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:35 pm

Duluth East 4-2 over Cretin

oldmansundays123 · Post by **oldmansundays123** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:33 pm

saintpaulhockey wrote:CDH and their staff will have a good idea about just how good DE is. Anyone without a serious grudge knows the Hounds are one the most talented squads in the state. With that said, I think CDH has an outside chance of winning this one. CDH has quick, clever forwards and Walsh is a very solid goalie. Could be close. Mark Alt will have a great showing, as will CDH's 2nd line. DE obviously has some horses, especially on D with Forbert etc. I am expecting a very physical game with lots of shots and not a lot of goals. Both teams are well-rounded, relatively inconsistent and very well coached but DE is simply the stronger team. I see DE as the most physically strong team in the tourney.

5-3 DE.

saintpaulhockey i agree with everything you say until this point. Alot of the kids who play defense for Cretin also play football for them during the fall. Im not denying that the boys from Duluth are tough but watch for blue liners Dombek and Alt to use their size to their advantage

Lord Stanley · Post by **Lord Stanley** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:51 pm

Im pretty exited to see this one. The defensemen for CDH are big kids no doubt. But how are they in terms of skaters? This Duluth East team reminds me a lot of that Roseau team that won the tittle two years ago. They aren't particularly big, in fact they might be the smallest team in the tournament, but the forwards are so fast and skate so well that they might be able to go right around the CDH defensemen. Does anyone know if these Dmen can move a little?

hshckfan08 · Post by **hshckfan08** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:54 pm

HoundHockeyFanatic wrote:I bet the majority of the Cretin supporters haven't seen East play. Just wait and see how amazing our defense is. If the Hounds played as well as they did against Elk River this game shouldn't be a problem for the Hounds. All of the defensemen had the game of their lives and if Tardy plays as well as he did, the Hounds should win this. They are not satisfied with just being in the tourney, they are in it to win it.

I hope i get to see what Edina has to say about that...

oldmansundays123 · Post by **oldmansundays123** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:54 pm

Alt moves incredibly well. i have not seen a skater beat him one on one all year. Some of the others ones are move reasonably well for their size but can be beat by the small quick forwards

Post by **karl(east)** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:58 pm

oldmansundays123 wrote:
karl(east) wrote:I'll admit CDH is the team I know the least about of the 8 at state. To that end, it would be very nice if someone who follows the team could give a nice description of strengths, weaknesses, and style of play. That'd allow me to get a better feel for this matchup.

That said, this is one of the two 1st-round opponents I was hoping East would draw. This by no means assures victory; it'll probably be a good game.
Strengths
-This years team has one main difference from last years team. Instead of just having one player (bohrer) score all their goals they have spread the scoring out pretty evenly between three lines.
1st line- led by senior forward Ben Mcclelan who had a 30+ point season. also Benny is coming off a game winning goal vs AV.
2nd line- Very solid offensive focused forwards. Relatively young kids with two sophomores and a junior. Expect to here about this lines scoring potential in the next couple years
3rd line- senior line led by Tommy Zimmerman who has a very dangerous shot. Other highlights include Mike Bangs who has strong scoring potential.
Defense- Old school defensive group. focus more on protecting goalie then scoring points. Alt is dangerous from anywhere on the ice.

Weaknesses
streaky play throughout the season. Big kids that can be beat by small forwards. Also a fairly young group with Zimmerman being the only player with state tourney experience.

Thanks, this was exactly what I was looking for. CDH seems to have a fair amount of depth at forward, which is a good thing for a team that is trying to hang with East. On the other hand, East does have a lot of small, fast forwards that could wreak havoc if the CDH defense can't keep up.

I'm also very interested to see Alt; it'll be fun to see both him and Forbort in the same game. Arguably 2 of the top three defensemen in the tourney.

Lord Stanley · Post by **Lord Stanley** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:06 pm

Small quick forwards are Easts MO so this one should be pretty interesting. On an interesting little side note, this could be the start of a very interesting rivalry with Alt going to Minnesota and Forbort going to North Dakota

Indians forever · Post by **Indians forever** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:08 pm

East by a goal. 4-3

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:30 pm

oldmansundays123 wrote:
saintpaulhockey wrote:CDH and their staff will have a good idea about just how good DE is. Anyone without a serious grudge knows the Hounds are one the most talented squads in the state. With that said, I think CDH has an outside chance of winning this one. CDH has quick, clever forwards and Walsh is a very solid goalie. Could be close. Mark Alt will have a great showing, as will CDH's 2nd line. DE obviously has some horses, especially on D with Forbert etc. I am expecting a very physical game with lots of shots and not a lot of goals. Both teams are well-rounded, relatively inconsistent and very well coached but DE is simply the stronger team. I see DE as the most physically strong team in the tourney.

5-3 DE.
saintpaulhockey i agree with everything you say until this point. Alot of the kids who play defense for Cretin also play football for them during the fall. Im not denying that the boys from Duluth are tough but watch for blue liners Dombek and Alt to use their size to their advantage

CDH's D are a big, lumbering unit who have an insatiable appetite for hitting, but if DE's forwards are as quick as advertised, they could create a lot of opportunities. Mark Alt and Forbert will be, collectively, an intriguing spotlight as both look like future stars. Neither teams have a ton of experience in state, (CDH has only one returner from the '06 champion team) and as much as I would like to say CDH is better, logic says no. Though this does not matter, it would fun to see DE take home a title. They are a premier program and a quintessential example of what makes MN high school hockey so f*&^%$# great.

FORWARDS: Looks fairly even as both teams bring small, quick players to the X. CDH though may have one of the state's best 2nd lines. I give the Raiders a very slight edge here, an edge that I admit is fueled by a lack of knowledge of DE's forwards. (EDGE:CDH)

DEFENSE: Even with Alt, there is no possible argument that CDH can matchup here. (EDGE:DE)

GOALTENDER: Walsh is very solid for Cretin, but I have heard Hill(?) from DE has legit D1 potential. (EDGE:DE)

INTANGIBLES: East has been here a few times more, and though CDH coach Jim O'Neill is one of the best (THE best in baseball), Randolph and his boys appear to be a better team. (EDGE:DE)

oldmansundays123 · Post by **oldmansundays123** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:43 pm

saintpaulhockey wrote:
oldmansundays123 wrote:
saintpaulhockey wrote:CDH and their staff will have a good idea about just how good DE is. Anyone without a serious grudge knows the Hounds are one the most talented squads in the state. With that said, I think CDH has an outside chance of winning this one. CDH has quick, clever forwards and Walsh is a very solid goalie. Could be close. Mark Alt will have a great showing, as will CDH's 2nd line. DE obviously has some horses, especially on D with Forbert etc. I am expecting a very physical game with lots of shots and not a lot of goals. Both teams are well-rounded, relatively inconsistent and very well coached but DE is simply the stronger team. I see DE as the most physically strong team in the tourney.

5-3 DE.
saintpaulhockey i agree with everything you say until this point. Alot of the kids who play defense for Cretin also play football for them during the fall. Im not denying that the boys from Duluth are tough but watch for blue liners Dombek and Alt to use their size to their advantage
CDH's D are a big, lumbering unit who have an insatiable appetite for hitting, but if DE's forwards are as quick as advertised, they could create a lot of opportunities. Mark Alt and Forbert will be, collectively, an intriguing spotlight as both look like future stars. Neither teams have a ton of experience in state, (CDH has only one returner from the '06 champion team) and as much as I would like to say CDH is better, logic says no. Though this does not matter, it would fun to see DE take home a title. They are a premier program and a quintessential example of what makes MN high school hockey so f*&^%$# great.

FORWARDS: Looks fairly even as both teams bring small, quick players to the X. CDH though may have one of the state's best 2nd lines. I give the Raiders a very slight edge here, an edge that I admit is fueled by a lack of knowledge of DE's forwards. (EDGE:CDH)

DEFENSE: Even with Alt, there is no possible argument that CDH can matchup here. (EDGE:DE)

GOALTENDER: Walsh is very solid for Cretin, but I have heard Hill(?) from DE has legit D1 potential. (EDGE:DE)

INTANGIBLES: East has been here a few times more, and though CDH coach Jim O'Neill is one of the best (THE best in baseball), Randolph and his boys appear to be a better team. (EDGE:DE)

In 2006 the raiders one the state championship with an incredible densive core(Bonfe, Kieger, Mcdonaugh, and Darwitz) and a couple of shining lights on offense (Hickey, Bohrer) if the raiders expect to do anything this tourney they will have to rely on their forwards and hope that their shining light on defense (alt) can keep the opponents scoring efforts at bay

hshockeynorth · Post by **hshockeynorth** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:44 pm

mj79 wrote:
wtbearlk1111 wrote:ehshack when you lose you will just make up some excuses for your loss like against century
well at least you guys wont have to make another excuse why you didnt make it past the state 1/4's

I can't believe anyone from WBL would even jump into this.

hshockeynorth · Post by **hshockeynorth** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:52 pm

youngblood08 wrote:Interesting match-up.

I like DE 4 - CDH 2. I think DE is the better team, IF they play hockey. They aren't going to get the 3 blind mice reffing this one. CDH has a nice PP. It would be nice to see Zimmerman dominate a game.

If your referring to the refs in the section final- let it go. the way east played they would have beat ER if they played short-handed all night. Refs had nothing to do with it. Besides- i hear the refs were from the range. if you spend 5 minutes north of Moose Lake, you know that no ref from the range would give east a break.

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:07 pm

hshockeynorth wrote:
youngblood08 wrote:Interesting match-up.

I like DE 4 - CDH 2. I think DE is the better team, IF they play hockey. They aren't going to get the 3 blind mice reffing this one. CDH has a nice PP. It would be nice to see Zimmerman dominate a game.
If your referring to the refs in the section final- let it go. the way east played they would have beat ER if they played short-handed all night. Refs had nothing to do with it. Besides- i hear the refs were from the range. if you spend 5 minutes north of Moose Lake, you know that no ref from the range would give east a break.

If you spent 5 minutes in Moose Lake, you probably wouldn't care.

smw1111 · Post by **smw1111** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:11 pm

This should be a decent matchup........I think that East has a slight advantage, but it will be tough and Cretin can play........it all depends on how Cretins young players adjust to playing at State under the bright lights, if they are tight then East wins 4-1 if the Cretin's sophmores play loose like I think coach O'Neill will have them it might actually be 4-1 for Cretin........One team gaining the edge quickly and they will control the game......

mnmouth · Post by **mnmouth** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:48 pm

East attacks constantly with fast, quick forwards. Except for Tardy, who IS in a class by himself, all other East forwards are interchangeable, any could play on any line. Put Tardy between any of East's wingers and he'll boost their production.

If there's a better forechecking team in the tournament I'd like to hear about it. (Somebody out there must have seen enough teams to comment.) And if there's a team whose players move better without the puck I'd like to see it. An East player is always in position to mess up a breakout, or receive the puck and do something with it.

Their defensemen do everything well. Everyone out there has heard about the East defense. Aside from contributing mightily to the forecheck and playing rock solid D, they pass extremely well, they skate extremely well and no one goes around them. Unlike some Cretin D I've heard about.

Randolph knows he's got a good team, and when he KNOWS he's got a good team, watch out. If they're not the best prepared team down there, I'd be shocked. Nobody will outcoach Randolph.

Offensively, this team is similar to Randolph's '98 title team. They forecheck the hell out of you with speed and tenacity. Watch Tardy, but also pay attention to quick snipers like Klun, Lutzka, Olson, Paulseth, et al. They are also similar to the East '91 runner-up, which possessed a very talented defensive corps that could really move the puck.

East is a legitimate title contender. Cretin has a nice team with a better future.

HoundHockeyFanatic · Post by **HoundHockeyFanatic** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:21 pm

mnmouth wrote:East attacks constantly with fast, quick forwards. Except for Tardy, who IS in a class by himself, all other East forwards are interchangeable, any could play on any line. Put Tardy between any of East's wingers and he'll boost their production.

If there's a better forechecking team in the tournament I'd like to hear about it. (Somebody out there must have seen enough teams to comment.) And if there's a team whose players move better without the puck I'd like to see it. An East player is always in position to mess up a breakout, or receive the puck and do something with it.

Their defensemen do everything well. Everyone out there has heard about the East defense. Aside from contributing mightily to the forecheck and playing rock solid D, they pass extremely well, they skate extremely well and no one goes around them. Unlike some Cretin D I've heard about.

Randolph knows he's got a good team, and when he KNOWS he's got a good team, watch out. If they're not the best prepared team down there, I'd be shocked. Nobody will outcoach Randolph.

Offensively, this team is similar to Randolph's '98 title team. They forecheck the hell out of you with speed and tenacity. Watch Tardy, but also pay attention to quick snipers like Klun, Lutzka, Olson, Paulsen, et al. They are also similar to the East '91 runner-up, which possessed a very talented defensive corps that could really move the puck.

East is a legitimate title contender. Cretin has a nice team with a better future.

AMEN! Great analysis of the team. If the defense is on their game it will be difficult for Cretin. From what I've read it seems Tardy and the other forwards shouldn't struggle against the Cretin D with the exception of Alt.

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:30 pm

AMEN! Great analysis of the team. If the defense is on their game it will be difficult for Cretin. From what I've read it seems Tardy and the other forwards shouldn't struggle against the Cretin D with the exception of Alt.[/quote]

Don't know if "shouldn't struggle" is the right way to put that. DE won't walk all over the other 5 D. They may win a few more battles and ultimately the matchup, but it won't be easy as you're suggesting.

JV State Champs · Post by **JV State Champs** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:27 am

I see this as the best chance for a possible upset in the first round. East has a tendancy to not play their best against teams they should beat. Cretin is obviously playing well but still needs to catch a few breaks to end up on top in this one.

I like East 3-2 in the best game of the quarterfinals

marchmadness · Post by **marchmadness** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:23 am

mnmouth wrote:East attacks constantly with fast, quick forwards. Except for Tardy, who IS in a class by himself, all other East forwards are interchangeable, any could play on any line. Put Tardy between any of East's wingers and he'll boost their production.

If there's a better forechecking team in the tournament I'd like to hear about it. (Somebody out there must have seen enough teams to comment.) And if there's a team whose players move better without the puck I'd like to see it. An East player is always in position to mess up a breakout, or receive the puck and do something with it.

Their defensemen do everything well. Everyone out there has heard about the East defense. Aside from contributing mightily to the forecheck and playing rock solid D, they pass extremely well, they skate extremely well and no one goes around them. Unlike some Cretin D I've heard about.

Randolph knows he's got a good team, and when he KNOWS he's got a good team, watch out. If they're not the best prepared team down there, I'd be shocked. Nobody will outcoach Randolph.

Offensively, this team is similar to Randolph's '98 title team. They forecheck the hell out of you with speed and tenacity. Watch Tardy, but also pay attention to quick snipers like Klun, Lutzka, Olson, Paulseth, et al. They are also similar to the East '91 runner-up, which possessed a very talented defensive corps that could really move the puck.

East is a legitimate title contender. Cretin has a nice team with a better future.

According to this analysis, East 10 CDH 0

smw1111 · Post by **smw1111** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:38 am

Afraid not my Northern buddies.......East isnt that great face to face thye are playing a team that is a decent matchup for them, but East would need help to actually win 3 games at the EX........Cretin is totally willing to play the physical POUND the crap out of you game. So I look for East to be tired even on Friday nite after the game with Cretin, and the game against Cretin isnt a gimme either.

As for 10-0 for East.....well I dont think so, I do see a 4-1 game though, and that score could go either way. If Cretin is tense East wins 4-1, and if Cretin is loose......I think it just might be 4-1 for them....if they played 10 times though East maybe 6 or 7 wins.....so Cretin is a dog.

I also think that you people that are East fans should not say that Cretin has no Hockey tradition....because that would be wrong. Cretin in the 50 and 60s use to be on par with the best in the state in public schools...

Alot of people would say that until the last 10 or so years East was just a annual rep from an average at best section.

Cretin proved the other night that they can stay composed even when a team takes them out of their tempo.........and as we know that is important come tourney time......because everyone wants to play their style of game......and good teams can still win when taken out of their game....and I dont mean by the REFS.......

At the tourney, Dont worry East fans the bad refs are usually stopped at the door....so there are NO EXCUSES.

This will not be a good game in my opinion and I have seen East play some this year, and they cant play with the Big teams of the metro.......Edina and EP.

So if you guys are the 4 seed wouldnt that mean that Cretin is the 5 seed.....most people would say on paper that is a closer matchup......than all of you Duluthies banging your chests.......bang on them all you want, your team is decent but not great.......and they will need help to get past the 2nd game......and actually their is a good chance they might not win round one against a young Cretin time that may have some nerves.....but I think that Cretin will come out and possibly pull off a nice upset....because they were supposed to be 1 and to the consolation in 2006 but they blew the doors off people that year and they were super young and talented that year too.......just like this year.....well this year they are even younger. So alot depends on coach O'Neill getting the team calm.....and I think he has some experience coaching in big games....and he has made some speeches in the past

oldmansundays123 · Post by **oldmansundays123** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:58 am

smw1111 wrote:Afraid not my Northern buddies.......East isnt that great face to face thye are playing a team that is a decent matchup for them, but East would need help to actually win 3 games at the EX........Cretin is totally willing to play the physical POUND the crap out of you game. So I look for East to be tired even on Friday nite after the game with Cretin, and the game against Cretin isnt a gimme either.

As for 10-0 for East.....well I dont think so, I do see a 4-1 game though, and that score could go either way. If Cretin is tense East wins 4-1, and if Cretin is loose......I think it just might be 4-1 for them....if they played 10 times though East maybe 6 or 7 wins.....so Cretin is a dog.

I also think that you people that are East fans should not say that Cretin has no Hockey tradition....because that would be wrong. Cretin in the 50 and 60s use to be on par with the best in the state in public schools...

Alot of people would say that until the last 10 or so years East was just a annual rep from an average at best section.

Cretin proved the other night that they can stay composed even when a team takes them out of their tempo.........and as we know that is important come tourney time......because everyone wants to play their style of game......and good teams can still win when taken out of their game....and I dont mean by the REFS.......

At the tourney, Dont worry East fans the bad refs are usually stopped at the door....so there are NO EXCUSES.

This will not be a good game in my opinion and I have seen East play some this year, and they cant play with the Big teams of the metro.......Edina and EP.

So if you guys are the 4 seed wouldnt that mean that Cretin is the 5 seed.....most people would say on paper that is a closer matchup......than all of you Duluthies banging your chests.......bang on them all you want, your team is decent but not great.......and they will need help to get past the 2nd game......and actually their is a good chance they might not win round one against a young Cretin time that may have some nerves.....but I think that Cretin will come out and possibly pull off a nice upset....because they were supposed to be 1 and to the consolation in 2006 but they blew the doors off people that year and they were super young and talented that year too.......just like this year.....well this year they are even younger. So alot depends on coach O'Neill getting the team calm.....and I think he has some experience coaching in big games....and he has made some speeches in the past

Amen brother. Duluth can toot their own horns all they want but their record in the Schwans Cup speaks for itself

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:35 pm

Nothing wrong with a normal one period sentence structure! As a recent CDH grad, and player, bashing DE is not a good way to gain credibility/respect. DE, along with Blaine, is a half-inch behind Edina and EP as favorites of the tourney. CDH joins Hill and Moorhead as darkhorse picks with little actual chance of winning. It is simply obvious. Be reasonable.

smw1111 wrote:Afraid not my Northern buddies.......East isnt that great face to face thye are playing a team that is a decent matchup for them, but East would need help to actually win 3 games at the EX........Cretin is totally willing to play the physical POUND the crap out of you game. So I look for East to be tired even on Friday nite after the game with Cretin, and the game against Cretin isnt a gimme either.

As for 10-0 for East.....well I dont think so, I do see a 4-1 game though, and that score could go either way. If Cretin is tense East wins 4-1, and if Cretin is loose......I think it just might be 4-1 for them....if they played 10 times though East maybe 6 or 7 wins.....so Cretin is a dog.

I also think that you people that are East fans should not say that Cretin has no Hockey tradition....because that would be wrong. Cretin in the 50 and 60s use to be on par with the best in the state in public schools...

Alot of people would say that until the last 10 or so years East was just a annual rep from an average at best section.

Cretin proved the other night that they can stay composed even when a team takes them out of their tempo.........and as we know that is important come tourney time......because everyone wants to play their style of game......and good teams can still win when taken out of their game....and I dont mean by the REFS.......

At the tourney, Dont worry East fans the bad refs are usually stopped at the door....so there are NO EXCUSES.

This will not be a good game in my opinion and I have seen East play some this year, and they cant play with the Big teams of the metro.......Edina and EP.

So if you guys are the 4 seed wouldnt that mean that Cretin is the 5 seed.....most people would say on paper that is a closer matchup......than all of you Duluthies banging your chests.......bang on them all you want, your team is decent but not great.......and they will need help to get past the 2nd game......and actually their is a good chance they might not win round one against a young Cretin time that may have some nerves.....but I think that Cretin will come out and possibly pull off a nice upset....because they were supposed to be 1 and to the consolation in 2006 but they blew the doors off people that year and they were super young and talented that year too.......just like this year.....well this year they are even younger. So alot depends on coach O'Neill getting the team calm.....and I think he has some experience coaching in big games....and he has made some speeches in the past

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