4AA Final - East Metro All Stars Vs WBL

[proudfan]

What game were you watching GFD?
White Bear was in a 1-3-1 neutral ice trap to try and minimize HM speed.
This forum should not be used to bash coaches and players it should be to report scores.
If you are truly a WB fan, you should be more supportive or don't come to the games.
Unlike HM; the coaches from WBL play the players they have and try to fit them into their system.
Congrats to HM, they were the better team.
Congrat to WBL making it to the section finals.

[mnpuckster]

NO, What game were YOU watching proudfan??? Thats the better question. If you are going to try and tell me Lechner didnt out-coach Sager, you're kidding yourself. Congrats to the Kids from HM, and the Kids fro WBL, but the coaching staff at WBL is an embarrassment, all the way from Sager, to Butters and Collova. Limiting HM's speed, I dont think so. They were running and gunning the whole game, and the few times WBL actually was in HM's zone, the 3rd forward would get sucked in, creating one of the 20 odd-man rushes Schletty had to save. You are kidding yourself if you think Sager had the correct game plan. HM's wings were flying everytime, beating wbl's D-men. If not for Schletty playing well, it would have been 8-1.
IF YOU WERE A TRUE WBL FAN, you would know this wasnt an acceptable performance by the club, and KNOW its time for a change, immediately.
Proudfan my ass. GET your head out

[Pioneerprideguy]

It was a solid game plan by Sager and his staff. The players just had an off night & Hill got lucky. No need for White Bear to make any changes....please.

[Goldfishdude]

What game were you watching GFD?
White Bear was in a 1-3-1 neutral ice trap to try and minimize HM speed.
This forum should not be used to bash coaches and players it should be to report scores.
If you are truly a WB fan, you should be more supportive or don't come to the games.
Unlike HM; the coaches from WBL play the players they have and try to fit them into their system.
Congrats to HM, they were the better team.
Congrat to WBL making it to the section finals.

Ummmm, proudfan??? When a team gets waxed in a section championship game, and gets outplayed in a semi-final game, but get fortunate enough to win, as a fan, you have every right to question - what went wrong, and what could have been different??

The very last thing I am going to say is that 20 kids suck.

Maybe Sager should have run a 1-1-3 neutral zone trap, so that H-M wouldn't have had 25 shots and a 4-0 lead after two periods making my SON want to leave the rink. Maybe he should have run a 0-0-5 with all the guys lined up at the blue-line to knock H-M on their butts... Because the 1-3-1 didn't work.... If you recognize the team is running a 1-3-1, then you should recognize that it didn't work....

It's a FACT there were at least 6 odd-man rushes in the 2nd period alone, and it's about putting your players in position to succeed.

If you read every post I have made, I actually had a gut feeling the Bears would win, and I gave credit to H-M for being faster, stronger and better... Period....

And for the record, I rarely watched WBL varsity play this year, so I did choose not to go watch, and maybe I was at this game as a H-M fan. Last I checked, I paid $$ to get in the arena, I was frisked by the cops, and, funny, I was allowed in to watch, and after that, as long as I am not violating any man-made laws, it doesn't matter who I rooted for... (I did break commandments for swearing - under my breath).

Proudfan, I am glad you are a supporter of WBL hockey... The team appreciates it. I appreciate it. But just because you don't like me personally, or how I address the coach, that, too, is your opinion. I already told you in a private message two months ago, the coach knows exactly how I feel about him..

If it makes you feel better to try and take personal shots at ME (not my sons..not my mother...not my parakeet), you have an open forum. In fact, why don't you create a new thread and entitle it: "Why do you hate Goldfishdude?" I don't care....I really don't..

But, if you take personal shots at me, how does that make you different than me? I am not paid to do a job like a coach is, and just because he's an amateur coach, he is not free from subjective/objective analysis whether positive or negative.

So, my suggestion is that you send me PMs on all the things you don't like about me, so we don't bore Pioneerprideguy, because he needs this space to congratulate H-M.....

In fact, here you go proudfan, and others, I started a thread in THE CAFE to help you out...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 899#497899

[wblhockeyfan8]

I'm just impressed they spelled it correctly. I also liked the "We will haze you sign". Classy.

It's just making light of an earlier unfortunate situation. Don't read To much into it.

[WBLHockeyfan04]

What game were you watching GFD?
White Bear was in a 1-3-1 neutral ice trap to try and minimize HM speed.
This forum should not be used to bash coaches and players it should be to report scores.
If you are truly a WB fan, you should be more supportive or don't come to the games.
Unlike HM; the coaches from WBL play the players they have and try to fit them into their system.
Congrats to HM, they were the better team.
Congrat to WBL making it to the section finals.

Ummmm, proudfan??? When a team gets waxed in a section championship game, and gets outplayed in a semi-final game, but get fortunate enough to win, as a fan, you have every right to question - what went wrong, and what could have been different??

The very last thing I am going to say is that 20 kids suck.

Maybe Sager should have run a 1-1-3 neutral zone trap, so that H-M wouldn't have had 25 shots and a 4-0 lead after two periods making my SON want to leave the rink. Maybe he should have run a 0-0-5 with all the guys lined up at the blue-line to knock H-M on their butts... Because the 1-3-1 didn't work.... If you recognize the team is running a 1-3-1, then you should recognize that it didn't work....

It's a FACT there were at least 6 odd-man rushes in the 2nd period alone, and it's about putting your players in position to succeed.

If you read every post I have made, I actually had a gut feeling the Bears would win, and I gave credit to H-M for being faster, stronger and better... Period....

And for the record, I rarely watched WBL varsity play this year, so I did choose not to go watch, and maybe I was at this game as a H-M fan. Last I checked, I paid $$ to get in the arena, I was frisked by the cops, and, funny, I was allowed in to watch, and after that, as long as I am not violating any man-made laws, it doesn't matter who I rooted for... (I did break commandments for swearing - under my breath).

Proudfan, I am glad you are a supporter of WBL hockey... The team appreciates it. I appreciate it. But just because you don't like me personally, or how I address the coach, that, too, is your opinion. I already told you in a private message two months ago, the coach knows exactly how I feel about him..

If it makes you feel better to try and take personal shots at ME (not my sons..not my mother...not my parakeet), you have an open forum. In fact, why don't you create a new thread and entitle it: "Why do you hate Goldfishdude?" I don't care....I really don't..

But, if you take personal shots at me, how does that make you different than me? I am not paid to do a job like a coach is, and just because he's an amateur coach, he is not free from subjective/objective analysis whether positive or negative.

So, my suggestion is that you send me PMs on all the things you don't like about me, so we don't bore Pioneerprideguy, because he needs this space to congratulate H-M.....

In fact, here you go proudfan, and others, I started a thread in THE CAFE to help you out...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 899#497899

I enjoy reading your posts Goldfish

IMHO, you bring good insight, humor, and you obviously care about the WBL program and players. I don't think any person(s) should be called out for speaking their opinion on this forum. As long as it's not offensive, and out of line, it's fine by me.

[Goldfishdude]

Thanks fan04.. Likewise with the input you have had, positive or negative towards WBL or me, your comments/opinions are appreciated.

I am an entertainer.... whether I am making someone laugh, or popping a zit on their back. Not all entertainers are liked, and again, if I am not liked - no sweat...

I paid $950 high school team fees, plus admission gate fees, meals and gas money for the vast majority of games, practices and fund raisers. I volunteered at the golf tournament, paid for numerous skate sharpenings and tape, and carefully washed the high school jerseys in cold water and air dried them.

I am a supporter and a fan. But that doesn't require me to be happy and naive like Forrest Gump.

[bigtimescout]

What game were you watching GFD?
White Bear was in a 1-3-1 neutral ice trap to try and minimize HM speed.
This forum should not be used to bash coaches and players it should be to report scores.
If you are truly a WB fan, you should be more supportive or don't come to the games.
Unlike HM; the coaches from WBL play the players they have and try to fit them into their system.
Congrats to HM, they were the better team.
Congrat to WBL making it to the section finals.

Wrong, If a coach is doing something wrong things should be said, everyone has their opinions and should be able to express them as long as they aren't offensive. HS coaches are all over this forum TRUST ME, im sure some of them pick up a few tips/pointers every now and then from observers of the game. In the end if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen

[sachishi4]

maybve its sager himself!

[Pioneerprideguy]

GFD...you have a parakeet?...cool.

[mngophs04]

All these complaints about Sager have been said for years. White Bear has seen talent under him, and still not been very successful (And yes, I do understand "successful" is a relative term... but my definition definitely includes stomping some Pioneers and making it to state more often).
You think that's a coincidence proudfan? Goldfishdude is not alone by far in his "coach bashing" opinion, so you really can't single him out, and opinions are what this forum is for anyway.

[Goldfishdude]

GFD...you have a parakeet?...cool.

I don't any longer, PPG.... After I won my coonskin cap off Ebay last week, I couldn't afford parakeet food.

To stay on topic of this thread, man is your squad fun to watch!! It was a clinic.

[BodyShots]

The S.E.C. will be back next year.

The SEC might be back next year, however, so will Hill-Murray. Unfortunately, coach Tim Sager will be probably be back too.

Here's one of the coaching differences. I know on good authority that Lex worked about 30 minutes on how to exploit the WBL size on defense, and how to handle the pinching defensemen. I counted at least 6 odd-man rushes in the second period alone, which helped the 3-goal outburst.

Sager erred in judgement thinking the Bears could skate with H-M, because of the 4-3 game, not the earlier 5-0 game.... There should have been a better emphasis on backchecking, and neutral zone defense, standing the H-M players up at the blue line and to block/prevent shots... H-M had 25 shots after 2 periods, and it's playoff hockey... That shouldn't have happened if you're supposed to be a good team.

The biggest coaching difference is that Lex has enough talent at HM to field two teams that could be in the top 5 seeds in section 4AA. It's an All Star Team of East Metro players. My grandma could coach that team to 9 section championships out of 10 years. The talent level at WBL is thin, and getting thinner every year.

[Pioneerprideguy]

GFD...you have a parakeet?...cool.

I don't any longer, PPG.... After I won my coonskin cap off Ebay last week, I couldn't afford parakeet food.

To stay on topic of this thread, man is your squad fun to watch!! It was a clinic.

Sorry to hear about the bird, but it was the right call.

As for the Pioneers, when they skate & work hard in the corners, they are fun to watch. They are playing with a lot of confidence right now. I only wish they started faster. Who knows, maybe they will do so this week.

As for the Bears, the Pioneers got a break when it was announced that Justin wasn't playing. I know his dad/family and as happy I was to hear the Bears would be missing a quality player, I was disappointed for the Hauswirth Clan. I'm hoping everything works out for him.

Birkinbine, Wahlin, and Schletty are all nice returning players. What did the JV do this year? I enjoyed the fact that we won, but there was a part of me that night that wished it was Housley's club we were beating. But the fact that you guys denied them the opportunity to play in the finals, was awfully cool as well.

[youngblood08]

GFD...you have a parakeet?...cool.

I don't any longer, PPG.... After I won my coonskin cap off Ebay last week, I couldn't afford parakeet food.

To stay on topic of this thread, man is your squad fun to watch!! It was a clinic.

Sorry to hear about the bird, but it was the right call.

As for the Pioneers, when they skate & work hard in the corners, they are fun to watch. They are playing with a lot of confidence right now. I only wish they started faster. Who knows, maybe they will do so this week.

As for the Bears, the Pioneers got a break when it was announced that Justin wasn't playing. I know his dad/family and as happy I was to hear the Bears would be missing a quality player, I was disappointed for the Hauswirth Clan. I'm hoping everything works out for him.

Birkinbine, Wahlin, and Schletty are all nice returning players. What did the JV do this year? I enjoyed the fact that we won, but there was a part of me that night that wished it was Housley's club we were beating. But the fact that you guys denied them the opportunity to play in the finals, was awfully cool as well.

I guess we will never know. I think it would have been a much better game then the anual Hill/WBL bore-fest.

[hm88]

I don't any longer, PPG.... After I won my coonskin cap off Ebay last week, I couldn't afford parakeet food.

To stay on topic of this thread, man is your squad fun to watch!! It was a clinic.

Sorry to hear about the bird, but it was the right call.

As for the Pioneers, when they skate & work hard in the corners, they are fun to watch. They are playing with a lot of confidence right now. I only wish they started faster. Who knows, maybe they will do so this week.

As for the Bears, the Pioneers got a break when it was announced that Justin wasn't playing. I know his dad/family and as happy I was to hear the Bears would be missing a quality player, I was disappointed for the Hauswirth Clan. I'm hoping everything works out for him.

Birkinbine, Wahlin, and Schletty are all nice returning players. What did the JV do this year? I enjoyed the fact that we won, but there was a part of me that night that wished it was Housley's club we were beating. But the fact that you guys denied them the opportunity to play in the finals, was awfully cool as well.

I guess we will never know. I think it would have been a much better game then the [b]anual Hill/WBL bore-fest[/b].

I wouldnt say one section game that was lobsided in the past 10 years makes it an annual thing, and it depends on who your talking to when you say bore-fest.

[stpaul]

This was the first blowout in 30 years of HM - WBL section games. It's hardy been an annual bore-fest. There have been 2 OT games, a 1 goal game and a 2 goal game the last 4 years.

Nobody's stopping Stillwater from having a top hockey program but themselves. It's a huge school with great facilities. St. Croix Rec is a great building for hockey. Nobody puts a gun to the head of parents who send their kid off to Hill-Murray. As a matter of fact they get an annual bill for $10,000.

And Bodyshots, I'd give your grandma 5 minutes on the phone with a hockey parent before she would be pulling her hair out. Bill Lechner, Tim Sager and Phil Housley do not have easy jobs. Bill is a great hockey coach and a good guy who tries to do the right thing. Nobody made him dismiss 4 of his top 5 players last year at mid-season. Pat Schafhauser is a hell of a defensive coach and it shows this year. It's hard to see great coaching on the ice during a game. It's much easier to see bad coaching. Watch the firewagon hockey played by North St. Paul some time.

[youngblood08]

Still don't get it do you?

[Goldfishdude]

Followthepuck.com allows me to only go back the past 3 years. Versus teams like Centennial, Holy Angels, East, H-M, St. Thomas, Tonka and Moorhead, WBL is 5-13-1. That's a .289 winning percentage. Thanks to East Ridge entering play in '09-'10, Moorhead was scratched from the schedule. During these games, WBL was outscored about 86-53.

For the other two teams we play from SEC that have been to State before: Cretin and Woodbury, WBL is 4-8, a .333 winning percentage. The disturbing FACT is that WBL lost the rematch all 3 seasons (0-6) in like the final week of play before sections.

So, now that adds up to a record of 9-21-1. That's about a .306 winning percentage. Add 1-1 versus Fargo, and 2-1 versus Cloquet, it jumps to 12-23-1, a .347 winning percentage.

It's taking a Woodbury geographical split that will possibly allow WBL to win the SEC in 2010-11.

[stpaul]

Still don't get it do you?

Yes Youngie I get it. You don't like private schools because they can draw kids from wherever. You think that's it's an unfair advantage and they should not be in the MSHSL tournaments. OK.

Here's the part you don't get. Private schools exist in all shapes and sizes. HM has been around for 50 years and in the MSHSL for 35. It's pretty much a done deal. There is no movement other to get private schools out of the MSHSL. The transfer rules changes were good but aimed more at Hopkins basketball and SP Central girls basketball than they were at HM or AHA hockey. I don't think hockey folks out in Minnetonka, Eden Prairie & Edina sit around and bitch about Holy Angels and Benilde. They just worked to get better and beat them. Maybe Mahtomedi folks hate St. Thomas Academy but they just went out and beat them 2 years in a row in the section final. Where is the unfair advantage for AHA, BSM & STA ?

Private school have to do more than open the doors to get families and kids. Hockey coaches have to do more than throw pucks out on the ice to win hockey games. Families spend $10,000 a year at HM because it is a great school, has some discipline, expectations and a great "community". It's not for everybody. Lots of kids don't want to go to class masses or pray every day at school. They have built a tradition of winning hockey and Bill Lechner and his staff are great coaches. I could argue that they have a disadvantage. No free taxpayers money.

[Pioneerprideguy]

Youngy, time to stop living in a fantasy world. Stillwater had the same opportunity to win the section as Hill did. Stillwater struggled to get out of the first round then lost to an average WB team. Two nights later, that same WB team was dominated by Hill. You can speculate all ya want, bottom line is, Stillwater once again failed to get to State & the Pioneers once again are playing in the Show.

When the season began, you told us all about the what Stillwater had coming back & appeared pretty confident about their chances. I laughed. I said they would be average & they finished in the middle of an average conference. I'm sure you secrectly hoped for the chance to have someone knock Hill off and maybe even help onto a dream that your Ponies would do so. Fact is, we held up our end & showed up in the finals, but Stillwater couldn't hold up their end. So now you are left to speculate...pretty sad.

Even though the Ponies are losing, what 11 seniors, I'm sure they will be a force next year as well. Hill's program will have to find a way to rebuild after losing 5 seniors (great kids) and will turn to an undefeated JV team to fill those spots. Who knows, with the continued exposure the program receives by making yet another appearance in the Tourney, someone may decide to choose HM over another school. But at least that person will not be coming from Stillwater, because like you said, "That pipeline is closed."

I like ya because you are an eastsider & us eastsiders will always have a connection. But when it comes to high school hockey, we will just have to agree to disagree on how we view things.

[youngblood08]

U Still don't get it!

- Private schools allow more kids to play and experience High School Sports.

- Sad when you have a great group of kids grow up together and develop. They developed at the A level got opportunites and coaching that made a difference in thier growth. They leave a big Hole to fill. Teams are forced to move B/C level players up with some it hurts bad others can get by and be competitive but still losing 3-4 top players kills.

Say Stillwater has a bantam team that has 2 kids that are D1 prospects. They leave now what happens? Does that mean they have 2 more D1 prospects to fill in? No they fill in with kids that played B or C level. The reason some kids are at that level is because hockey isn't thier life. They dont play AAA or get Advanced opportunities, FHIT isnt knocking on thier door to help them further thier development. They go to the cabin, hunt, play golf, skateboard, snowboard, maybe the family doesn't have the money for all the extra stuff or they just plain don't have the talent.

Meanwhile the Private school we are talking about gets 8 D1 prospects from around the Area and the coach has time to polish them up, work on special team play and run systems which all of these players understand already. Remember they have had all that extra coaching and experience. Then the guy gets credit for being some kind of Coaching Wizard. Just like saying #33 is one of the best goalies in the State. He has an ALL STAR team in front of him and 75% of the teams he plays are terrible. Next year when you play Simley, Sibley and Richfield switch goalies and we will see how good he is. Or just put Goldies Grandma in front of the net in her wheelchair and she will have about the same record.

Back at Stillwater the coach has to take the time to reinvent the wheel. Show some of them how some systems work or defensive coverage because at the B and C level it is usually just go get the puck and skate. They have some dad that played a little hockey coaching.

I get it. It will happen.

I hate the gloating and the though that just because they play for Hill they are automatically better then any kid on Stillwater's roster. To get on here and suggest Hill could have 2 of the Top Section 4AA teams if they wanted is crazy! Appreciate what you have don't rub it in the faces of the people that worked to make it happen for you to enjoy. It pains the people in WBL, Stillwater and other communities that gave volunteer time coaching, running clocks, bake sales, tournaments (on and on and on and on.) So those boys could play and develop, then they leave you see the rewards of many be enjoyed by few. Youth Hockey is a COMMUNITY thing that comes with a lot of PRIDE and devotion. Considering the rinks they grew up on and rink they now play on is supportted by Cities and Counties, they are not at any disadvantage.



Stillwater had a GREAT group of kids this year and last, this years group fell short and fell hard. They controlled every aspect of that game vs WBL they just didn't do the most important thing.................and that was score more then WBL. I guaruntee you had that happened, Still/Hill game would have been another classic for all to enjoy.

Imagine that Stillwater/WBL game with no Hill Murray around!!! That would have been a classic.

[mngophs04]

I don't any longer, PPG.... After I won my coonskin cap off Ebay last week, I couldn't afford parakeet food.

To stay on topic of this thread, man is your squad fun to watch!! It was a clinic.

Sorry to hear about the bird, but it was the right call.

As for the Pioneers, when they skate & work hard in the corners, they are fun to watch. They are playing with a lot of confidence right now. I only wish they started faster. Who knows, maybe they will do so this week.

As for the Bears, the Pioneers got a break when it was announced that Justin wasn't playing. I know his dad/family and as happy I was to hear the Bears would be missing a quality player, I was disappointed for the Hauswirth Clan. I'm hoping everything works out for him.

Birkinbine, Wahlin, and Schletty are all nice returning players. What did the JV do this year? I enjoyed the fact that we won, but there was a part of me that night that wished it was Housley's club we were beating. But the fact that you guys denied them the opportunity to play in the finals, was awfully cool as well.

I guess we will never know. I think it would have been a much better game then the anual Hill/WBL bore-fest.

It's funny how you keep saying that, but Stillwater lost to WBL 3 times this year. Why would you think they would have matched up with Hill any better than a team that beat them every game this season? From what I've seen of Stillwater and what I've seen of White Bear, a Still/Hill game would have been just as much of a "bore-fest."

[youngblood08]

Sorry to hear about the bird, but it was the right call.

As for the Pioneers, when they skate & work hard in the corners, they are fun to watch. They are playing with a lot of confidence right now. I only wish they started faster. Who knows, maybe they will do so this week.

As for the Bears, the Pioneers got a break when it was announced that Justin wasn't playing. I know his dad/family and as happy I was to hear the Bears would be missing a quality player, I was disappointed for the Hauswirth Clan. I'm hoping everything works out for him.

Birkinbine, Wahlin, and Schletty are all nice returning players. What did the JV do this year? I enjoyed the fact that we won, but there was a part of me that night that wished it was Housley's club we were beating. But the fact that you guys denied them the opportunity to play in the finals, was awfully cool as well.

I guess we will never know. I think it would have been a much better game then the anual Hill/WBL bore-fest.

It's funny how you keep saying that, but Stillwater lost to WBL 3 times this year. Why would you think they would have matched up with Hill any better than a team that beat them every game this season? From what I've seen of Stillwater and what I've seen of White Bear, a Still/Hill game would have been just as much of a "bore-fest."

I guess I can think what I want can't I? Matchup wise it would have been an emotional advantage as with 7 players on Hill being STillwater kids. I'm sure Hill's Ponies would have been pumped also. Years past there have been more WBL kids on Hill then other areas which added to the rivalry. That momentum swung Stillwater's way look at the game last year Hill is about the same team and most of the top guys on Stillwater were the same guys from last year also.

Just made more sense that this year would be good just like the Stillwater/WBL games have been the past 3 years, 4-2-1 past 3 years.

Stillwater winniing % vs WBL past 3 years = .690 (4-2-1)
Hill winning % lifetime vs just WBL (no Mariner) = .680 (48-22-2)

Maybe Stillwater is starting a nice roll...................lol

[fanatichockeyguy]

Youngblood 08

I hate to say this but you are misinformed. If you think that a Hill vs. Stillwater section final would have been a better game you are crazy. White Bear beat Stillwater three times this year. HM destroyed White Bear, there depth is just too hard to match. Those Stillwater kids wouldnt have had a prayer to skate with HM. I hate HM just as much as the next guy and I wanted to see my Bears upset them, but Hill outplayed and outcoached them yet again for 16th time in a row.

And also, quit whining about HM taking all of your players, they've been doin it to everyone especially us in WBL for 50 years, maybe its time to accept it and DO SOMETHING about it.