Girls Participating in Boy AAA Tourneys

[This is silly!]

so would i like another card? what the $^%# does that mean.

It means draw from the "what would Bobby Riggs do" pile.

Bobby Riggs? I had to look the reference up on the net. What the hell does that have to do with this discussion? Since this event took place before my birth I will say was there women tennis prior? Did she have a league to play in? And Do women tennis players play with the men?
I want a few more analogies from all you to
prove this ridiculous point.

Let the righteous be heard let the girls play wherever. I have been shown the light. Sweet Jesus isn't it wonderful

And spin what ever the &$@$. By all means if that was a reference to me being sexist or something of the sort. By all means pm me. We can figure out a solution.
I think it is time for people to start using thier name.

Thanks for this Murray! At least I know there are TWO people in the minority here now!

[HockeyDad41]

Holy crap this is boring.

[This is silly!]

Holy crap this is boring.

Sorry HD41 - how bout the 2000 Blades vs 2000 Machine? How did the Blades do at the Brick? What about Brokaw? Heard he is the new Andover SQA coach!

That better?

[muckandgrind]

Don't have any problem at all with female skaters competing at the AAA level as a team or as individuals. There are some VERY talented ladies out there, of all ages, who can play with a LOT of the boys/men. I DO have a challenge with girls/ladies playing on association teams. This takes away a slot for a male skater. Guys CANNOT try out or play on female association teams. To be fair then, females should NOT be allowed to tryout for boys teams........if this is allowed, boys should be able to tryout for any and all girls teams............fair is fair..........

How many boys do you think WANT to try out for a girl's hockey team? If you can't find one, than the "double standard" argument is bogus. Boy's hockey is played at a higher level, which is why the "outlier" girls want to play boy's hockey.

The only way your argument of a double standard makes sense is if you can find a boy who is SOOO bad that he can't even compete at the youth "C" level, so he figures the best way for him to play would be at the U10B level......and is not permitted because he is a boy.

[hammer99]

Don't have any problem at all with female skaters competing at the AAA level as a team or as individuals. There are some VERY talented ladies out there, of all ages, who can play with a LOT of the boys/men. I DO have a challenge with girls/ladies playing on association teams. This takes away a slot for a male skater. Guys CANNOT try out or play on female association teams. To be fair then, females should NOT be allowed to tryout for boys teams........if this is allowed, boys should be able to tryout for any and all girls teams............fair is fair..........

How many boys do you think WANT to try out for a girl's hockey team? If you can't find one, than the "double standard" argument is bogus. Boy's hockey is played at a higher level, which is why the "outlier" girls want to play boy's hockey.

The only way your argument of a double standard makes sense is if you can find a boy who is SOOO bad that he can't even compete at the youth "C" level, so he figures the best way for him to play would be at the U10B level......and is not permitted because he is a boy.

how about you find a boy who plays hockey who is in favor of letting the girls play with them and take spots from boys??? Every girl that makes the peewee A team is not only taking away a spot from a boy on the A team, she is also taking away from a boy on a B1 team, and also a B2 team. So basically three boys were moved down a level because a girl decided to play with the boys. The sad thing is that those boys aren't even allowed according to the rules to do what that girl just did, play with the opposite gender. Does that sound fair to you???

[muckandgrind]

Don't have any problem at all with female skaters competing at the AAA level as a team or as individuals. There are some VERY talented ladies out there, of all ages, who can play with a LOT of the boys/men. I DO have a challenge with girls/ladies playing on association teams. This takes away a slot for a male skater. Guys CANNOT try out or play on female association teams. To be fair then, females should NOT be allowed to tryout for boys teams........if this is allowed, boys should be able to tryout for any and all girls teams............fair is fair..........

How many boys do you think WANT to try out for a girl's hockey team? If you can't find one, than the "double standard" argument is bogus. Boy's hockey is played at a higher level, which is why the "outlier" girls want to play boy's hockey.

The only way your argument of a double standard makes sense is if you can find a boy who is SOOO bad that he can't even compete at the youth "C" level, so he figures the best way for him to play would be at the U10B level......and is not permitted because he is a boy.

how about you find a boy who plays hockey who is in favor of letting the girls play with them and take spots from boys??? Every girl that makes the peewee A team is not only taking away a spot from a boy on the A team, she is also taking away from a boy on a B1 team, and also a B2 team. So basically three boys were moved down a level because a girl decided to play with the boys. The sad thing is that those boys aren't even allowed according to the rules to do what that girl just did, play with the opposite gender. Does that sound fair to you???

Yes, it's fair. I'm repeating myself, but I can't think of a single reason why a boy would want to play with girls, can you?

A girl making an A team is not "bumping" a boy. If she is better then that boy, than she deserves to play on that team due to ability. No one got "bumped", he just didn't make the team because he wasn't good enough. What are you afraid of? Your Johnny not making the team because Janie did?

Another thing, we're not talking about a huge influx on girls playing on youth teams....but the ones that do are deserving because they made the team purely on ability. My bet is that the number of girls playing PWA in the state numbers less than 30....and even less so at the Bantam A level.

I'm not suggesting that all girls should be playing on the youth teams, only the ones who are exceptional ability and who won't be challenged at all by playing on a girl's team.

Again, I can't think of a single reason why a boy would want to try out for a girls team, so to use the "double standard" argument is a red-herring and doesn't mean a damn thing.

I suppose back in the 30's and 40's people were making the same argument to keep blacks out of MLB....that they would be "bumping" a white ballplayer when they joined a team....and why should they play with the whites when they had the Negro Leagues? And if we let blacks play in MLB and whites weren't allowed in the Negro Leagues, wouldn't that be a double standard? I acknowledge that this is a loose analogy because unlike the black ballplayers back then, most girls don't have the ability to play at the youth "A" level....but my point is that the same arguments were made back then to prevent someone from playing at a level that they had the ability to play at simply because they were different.

[spin-o-rama]

how about you find a boy who plays hockey who is in favor of letting the girls play with them and take spots from boys??? Every girl that makes the peewee A team is not only taking away a spot from a boy on the A team, she is also taking away from a boy on a B1 team, and also a B2 team. So basically three boys were moved down a level because a girl decided to play with the boys. The sad thing is that those boys aren't even allowed according to the rules to do what that girl just did, play with the opposite gender. Does that sound fair to you???

If that bumped boy plays with the girls he'll be dropping more than 1 level of competition.

Hammer99 et al, don't settle with removing the 1 or 2 girls that might play for a "boys" team. Remember that every time a girls team practices that 17 boys are not allowed on the ice and their development is being compromised. Get on your soap boxes and declare that women belong in the kitchen. Liberate the boys!

[hammer99]

How many boys do you think WANT to try out for a girl's hockey team? If you can't find one, than the "double standard" argument is bogus. Boy's hockey is played at a higher level, which is why the "outlier" girls want to play boy's hockey.

The only way your argument of a double standard makes sense is if you can find a boy who is SOOO bad that he can't even compete at the youth "C" level, so he figures the best way for him to play would be at the U10B level......and is not permitted because he is a boy.

how about you find a boy who plays hockey who is in favor of letting the girls play with them and take spots from boys??? Every girl that makes the peewee A team is not only taking away a spot from a boy on the A team, she is also taking away from a boy on a B1 team, and also a B2 team. So basically three boys were moved down a level because a girl decided to play with the boys. The sad thing is that those boys aren't even allowed according to the rules to do what that girl just did, play with the opposite gender. Does that sound fair to you???

Yes, it's fair. I'm repeating myself, but I can't think of a single reason why a boy would want to play with girls, can you?

A girl making an A team is not "bumping" a boy. If she is better then that boy, than she deserves to play on that team due to ability. No one got "bumped", he just didn't make the team because he wasn't good enough. What are you afraid of? Your Johnny not making the team because Janie did?

Another thing, we're not talking about a huge influx on girls playing on youth teams....but the ones that do are deserving because they made the team purely on ability. My bet is that the number of girls playing PWA in the state numbers less than 30....and even less so at the Bantam A level.

I'm not suggesting that all girls should be playing on the youth teams, only the ones who are exceptional ability and who won't be challenged at all by playing on a girl's team.

Again, I can't think of a single reason why a boy would want to try out for a girls team, so to use the "double standard" argument is a red-herring and doesn't mean a damn thing.

I suppose back in the 30's and 40's people were making the same argument to keep blacks out of MLB....that they would be "bumping" a white ballplayer when they joined a team....and why should they play with the whites when they had the Negro Leagues? And if we let blacks play in MLB and whites weren't allowed in the Negro Leagues, wouldn't that be a double standard? I acknowledge that this is a loose analogy because unlike the black ballplayers back then, most girls don't have the ability to play at the youth "A" level....but my point is that the same arguments were made back then to prevent someone from playing at a level that they had the ability to play at simply because they were different.

Muckandgrind: first off I would like to say that your comparison of this situation to early 20th century racism is absolutely ridiculous. Even if you admit it's not a great example.

The idea that a girl making a boys team bumps 3 boys down a level is in fact accurate. It's just common sense. Once little jenny makes the A team she now has a spot on the roster that would have otherwise gone to another player. In almost al associations A teams pick 17 kids each year, they dont set a bar for exactly how much talent the players if they want to make the A team, They let them attempt to prove that they are one of the top 17 players trying out.

If you're guess that there are about 30 girls that played PWA this year is correct, then we can assume that approximately 90 boys were dropped a level of competition once those girls made the A team. There more than likely are many other girls who made B1 or B2 teams, so most likely there were multiple other boys that were dropped a level due to girls trying out for the boys teams.

I would like to add that even if those kids had skated maybe a little more over the Summer, and beaten out maybe one more kid to grab a spot on the level they wanted to be playing at, another kid would have been just behind him skill wise and would have been dropped a level regardless.

Fear not, there is a way to quiet complainers such as myself. CHANGE THE RULE TO ALLOW BOYS TO PLAY ON GIRLS TEAMS!!! If what you are saying is correct, that no boys would want to play with the girls, what are you afraid of??? You would definitely no longer hear people like me talking about subjects like this.


Your idea that boys shouldn't be allowed to play on girls teams reminds me of when women weren't allowed to go in submarines. One of The arguments that many people in the Navy used to justify this was "Women wouldn't want to go in a submarine anyways". Well sure enough they were wrong, once they allowed women to enter submarines many women took advantage of this opportunity. You seem to be doing the same thing, justifying your argument with your opinion that "nobody would want to do that anyways". How would you know??? are you a mind reader?!?!?!


Also muckandgrind, can you make it clear to me what your position is on dropping the rule that doesn't allow boys to play girls hockey? Based on your arguments it sounds like you would be in favor of just dropping the rule altogether.

[StayAtHomeD]

Don't have any problem at all with female skaters competing at the AAA level as a team or as individuals. There are some VERY talented ladies out there, of all ages, who can play with a LOT of the boys/men. I DO have a challenge with girls/ladies playing on association teams. This takes away a slot for a male skater. Guys CANNOT try out or play on female association teams. To be fair then, females should NOT be allowed to tryout for boys teams........if this is allowed, boys should be able to tryout for any and all girls teams............fair is fair..........

How many boys do you think WANT to try out for a girl's hockey team? If you can't find one, than the "double standard" argument is bogus. Boy's hockey is played at a higher level, which is why the "outlier" girls want to play boy's hockey.

The only way your argument of a double standard makes sense is if you can find a boy who is SOOO bad that he can't even compete at the youth "C" level, so he figures the best way for him to play would be at the U10B level......and is not permitted because he is a boy.

how about you find a boy who plays hockey who is in favor of letting the girls play with them and take spots from boys??? Every girl that makes the peewee A team is not only taking away a spot from a boy on the A team, she is also taking away from a boy on a B1 team, and also a B2 team. So basically three boys were moved down a level because a girl decided to play with the boys. The sad thing is that those boys aren't even allowed according to the rules to do what that girl just did, play with the opposite gender. Does that sound fair to you???

It's PC gone wild. NOBODY except parents and grandparents gives a rats azz about Girl's hockey but their parents know how to work the system.

There is NOTHING worse than girls hockey parents. I've been around them all and nothing compares.

It's like them forcing their way into the Xcel Energy Center. They went from having a nice little Tourney at Ridder that at least didn't lose money to costing the X money every year because of their BS. It' makes me sick.

[This is silly!]

Again, I can't think of a single reason why a boy would want to try out for a girls team, so to use the "double standard" argument is a red-herring and doesn't mean a damn thing.

Then, by this estimation, all it takes is ONE BOY to want to try out for a girls team and then it IS a double-standard! I'm pretty sure there's at least ONE out there so really, it DOES mean a damn thing! It's like telling a person how to feel - you really have no way of knowing. That's probably how girls got on boys teams in the first place - people thinking "I can't think of a single reason why a girl would want to try out for a boys team." Well, way back when . . . someone took advantage of it being YOUTH hockey instead of BOYS hockey and did it!

I would bet HUGE DOUGH that if they made U14, U12, U10 GIRLS hockey U14, U12, U10 OPEN hockey that sooner or later that there would be boys lined up to do it!

[This is silly!]

It's PC gone wild. NOBODY except parents and grandparents gives a rats azz about Girl's hockey but their parents know how to work the system.

There is NOTHING worse than girls hockey parents. I've been around them all and nothing compares.

It's like them forcing their way into the Xcel Energy Center. They went from having a nice little Tourney at Ridder that at least didn't lose money to costing the X money every year because of their BS. It' makes me sick.

Exactly!

[spin-o-rama]

That's probably how girls got on boys teams in the first place - people thinking "I can't think of a single reason why a girl would want to try out for a boys team." Well, way back when . . . someone took advantage of it being YOUTH hockey instead of BOYS hockey and did it!

You really don't have a clue.

[hammer99]

That's probably how girls got on boys teams in the first place - people thinking "I can't think of a single reason why a girl would want to try out for a boys team." Well, way back when . . . someone took advantage of it being YOUTH hockey instead of BOYS hockey and did it!

You really don't have a clue.

Are you trying to piss off as many people as you can on this topic? All you seem to do is respond to everyone's opinion with negativity.

[AimHigh]

That's probably how girls got on boys teams in the first place - people thinking "I can't think of a single reason why a girl would want to try out for a boys team." Well, way back when . . . someone took advantage of it being YOUTH hockey instead of BOYS hockey and did it!

You really don't have a clue.

Are you trying to piss off as many people as you can on this topic? All you seem to do is respond to everyone's opinion with negativity.

Hammer, I see where you get your nickname, you really are a tool.

Here's Minnesota Hockey's answer to the issue. If its too long for you to read or you need help interpreting the words, I'm sure someone here can help you out. Take it up with MN Hockey/USA Hockey if its that important to you. Take some responsibility yourself. If you register your little butchie's AAA team in a tournament, find out who the competition is before you go instead of crying about it afterwards. You only have yourself to blame if you show up and have to play :::shudder::: a girls team.

Some reasons the girls have expressed to me to remain with the youth program include: opportunity for better coaching, more ice time, more evenly skilled players on a team because of enough numbers for try outs, and a better competitive opportunity to excel. Not every Association in Minnesota may have a girl's program to offer to a female player that is comparable to her skill level. If the girl feels she is physically able to handle checking hockey and wants to try out for that level, the rules require she be given the opportunity.

The complaint I hear most often when a girl makes a youth team is, "she is taking the place of a boy who could have made the team." Girls today have just as many (and due to numbers probably more) opportunities as boys to play at the high school and collegiate level. The girls are not taking anything away from a boy who does not make a team, they are earning a spot that they deserve by their athletic ability. Let's face the facts, how many of the boys and girls on these teams will ever make a Division I college team or an NHL team. We all need to look at the bigger picture and agree that our objective should be to try to provide an activity for boys and girls for developing physical fitness, teaching them leadership and team skills, and most of all for fun and enjoyment.

Allowing the girls to remain in the youth program has been shown to be advantageous. Every player who participated on the Gold Medal winning 1998 Women's Olympic Team played with boys at some point in her hockey career. They learned the valuable skills needed to participate at a higher level.

None of this should be misconstrued to say that the girls' programs are all inadequate. There are Associations that provide what is necessary for a girl to excel in their programs. But areas of Minnesota are still in their infancy in regard to establishing girls' programs. If you have a girls' program and players are still opting not to participate with the girls' teams, maybe you need to ask the hard question, "Are we providing enough to keep the girls interested in our girls' program?"

To look at it another way, is the girl talented enough to help a youth team? If a player is skilled enough to make it through a try out process and be selected, do you deny that individual the opportunity based on gender? I sincerely hope not in today's world.

I hear the rumblings from parents and other individuals who think boys should be allowed to participate on girls' teams if girls are allowed to play on youth teams. What are the reasons for wanting to participate on a girls' team? Do they have a better coach? Do they have enough A and B levels that the player could participate at a skill level commensurate with their ability? Is their child small in stature and they want a non-checking game? These questions can also be asked as to why a girl wants to participate on a youth team.

USA Hockey has also instituted non-checking programs at the youth level. Because of such requests from members for non-checking leagues,
rules were voted in to recognize and allow youth age groups to provide this type of program . The local Affiliates can institute this program at their discretion. USA Hockey's mission through their local Affiliates, such as Minnkota (Minnesota, North and South Dakota), is to provide an opportunity for anyone to participate who is interested in playing hockey and they have developed rules to accommodate most situations for girls, boys, men and women.

[muckandgrind]

Also muckandgrind, can you make it clear to me what your position is on dropping the rule that doesn't allow boys to play girls hockey? Based on your arguments it sounds like you would be in favor of just dropping the rule altogether.

I've already stated in another post that I wouldn't stand in the way of a boy wanting to register for a girls team....although I would be EXTREMELY curious as to the reason for them wanting to.

It's like them forcing their way into the Xcel Energy Center. They went from having a nice little Tourney at Ridder that at least didn't lose money to costing the X money every year because of their BS. It' makes me sick.

I'll agree with you on this topic.....I think the Girls HS Tournament should be played at Ridder or Mariucci, instead of the Xcel. I've been to Girl's games at the X and it's dead quiet due to the lack of people in the stands. If they played at Ridder, the place will be full and rockin'.....MUCH more of a tournament atmosphere.

There are legitimate reasons for the extremely talented girl player to play on a youth "A" team and it has nothing to do with being politically correct. It's simply giving an opportunity to someone who has the ability to play at that level. Like I said before, some girls are simply too good for the girls hockey offered in their association. They need to play at a higher level of competition to further their development.

[hammer99]

You really don't have a clue.

Are you trying to piss off as many people as you can on this topic? All you seem to do is respond to everyone's opinion with negativity.

Hammer, I see where you get your nickname, you really are a tool.

Here's Minnesota Hockey's answer to the issue. If its too long for you to read or you need help interpreting the words, I'm sure someone here can help you out. Take it up with MN Hockey/USA Hockey if its that important to you. Take some responsibility yourself. If you register your little butchie's AAA team in a tournament, find out who the competition is before you go instead of crying about it afterwards. You only have yourself to blame if you show up and have to play :::shudder::: a girls team.

Some reasons the girls have expressed to me to remain with the youth program include: opportunity for better coaching, more ice time, more evenly skilled players on a team because of enough numbers for try outs, and a better competitive opportunity to excel. Not every Association in Minnesota may have a girl's program to offer to a female player that is comparable to her skill level. If the girl feels she is physically able to handle checking hockey and wants to try out for that level, the rules require she be given the opportunity.

The complaint I hear most often when a girl makes a youth team is, "she is taking the place of a boy who could have made the team." Girls today have just as many (and due to numbers probably more) opportunities as boys to play at the high school and collegiate level. The girls are not taking anything away from a boy who does not make a team, they are earning a spot that they deserve by their athletic ability. Let's face the facts, how many of the boys and girls on these teams will ever make a Division I college team or an NHL team. We all need to look at the bigger picture and agree that our objective should be to try to provide an activity for boys and girls for developing physical fitness, teaching them leadership and team skills, and most of all for fun and enjoyment.

Allowing the girls to remain in the youth program has been shown to be advantageous. Every player who participated on the Gold Medal winning 1998 Women's Olympic Team played with boys at some point in her hockey career. They learned the valuable skills needed to participate at a higher level.

None of this should be misconstrued to say that the girls' programs are all inadequate. There are Associations that provide what is necessary for a girl to excel in their programs. But areas of Minnesota are still in their infancy in regard to establishing girls' programs. If you have a girls' program and players are still opting not to participate with the girls' teams, maybe you need to ask the hard question, "Are we providing enough to keep the girls interested in our girls' program?"

To look at it another way, is the girl talented enough to help a youth team? If a player is skilled enough to make it through a try out process and be selected, do you deny that individual the opportunity based on gender? I sincerely hope not in today's world.

I hear the rumblings from parents and other individuals who think boys should be allowed to participate on girls' teams if girls are allowed to play on youth teams. What are the reasons for wanting to participate on a girls' team? Do they have a better coach? Do they have enough A and B levels that the player could participate at a skill level commensurate with their ability? Is their child small in stature and they want a non-checking game? These questions can also be asked as to why a girl wants to participate on a youth team.

USA Hockey has also instituted non-checking programs at the youth level. Because of such requests from members for non-checking leagues,
rules were voted in to recognize and allow youth age groups to provide this type of program . The local Affiliates can institute this program at their discretion. USA Hockey's mission through their local Affiliates, such as Minnkota (Minnesota, North and South Dakota), is to provide an opportunity for anyone to participate who is interested in playing hockey and they have developed rules to accommodate most situations for girls, boys, men and women.

Your posts on this topic have become absolutely pathetic. If you think that boys wouldn't want to play on girls teams, why are you against opening up the rule to allow boys to play with the girls if they want to???? If no boys play on girls hockey even though they are allowed to you are solving the problem by.

1. Allowing girls to participate on boys teams, allowing them to play at the level they want.

2. Silence people such as myself who have done nothing but stated the obvious. If girls can play with boys, then it would be wrong not to allow boys to play with girls!!!


Based on your arguments this would be the perfect solution. If not then you obviously have some type of hidden agenda to keep the rule tilted in the girls reason for some odd reason.

If you disagree with this idea then explain why this time. Dont just come back with more of your pathetic reasons girls should be allowed to play boys hockey, while dancing around my post and not giving a response.

[muckandgrind]

Your posts on this topic have become absolutely pathetic. If you think that boys wouldn't want to play on girls teams, why are you against opening up the rule to allow boys to play with the girls if they want to???? If no boys play on girls hockey even though they are allowed to you are solving the problem by.

1. Allowing girls to participate on boys teams, allowing them to play at the level they want.

2. Silence people such as myself who have done nothing but stated the obvious. If girls can play with boys, then it would be wrong not to allow boys to play with girls!!!


Based on your arguments this would be the perfect solution. If not then you obviously have some type of hidden agenda to keep the rule tilted in the girls reason for some odd reason.

If you disagree with this idea then explain why this time. Dont just come back with more of your pathetic reasons girls should be allowed to play boys hockey, while dancing around my post and not giving a response.

Actually, if anyone posts are pathetic, it's yours. You and others who would deny a girl the opportunity to play at the level they have the ability to play at only come up with the lame argument: "If girls can play with the boys, why can't boys play with the girls?"

If you want your boy to play girls hockey, GO FOR IT!!!!! I'll support your actions 100%. I would have NO problem with MN Hockey allowing a boy to play on a girl's team (and playing girl's rules).....although, my bet is that you wouldn't see a single boy do it. And I would also presume that you, yourself, probably don't want your son to play on a girl's team for the same reason that most people would think that it's ludicrous for them to do so.

While we have provided a valid reason for a talented girl to play on a youth "A" team, you have yet to provide a valid reason of why a boy should play with the girls. If "C" hockey is too competitive for your son, then sign him up for the MN Hockey Rec League..

There are many options available to the boys who want to play down levels if they can't hack it at youth C level....but the only option for many talented girls to play up is to play with the boys because they are too good for their girls program.

I'm just stunned that those like you can't see the difference between the two.......

[hammer99]

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Your posts on this topic have become absolutely pathetic. If you think that boys wouldn't want to play on girls teams, why are you against opening up the rule to allow boys to play with the girls if they want to???? If no boys play on girls hockey even though they are allowed to you are solving the problem by.

1. Allowing girls to participate on boys teams, allowing them to play at the level they want.

2. Silence people such as myself who have done nothing but stated the obvious. If girls can play with boys, then it would be wrong not to allow boys to play with girls!!!


Based on your arguments this would be the perfect solution. If not then you obviously have some type of hidden agenda to keep the rule tilted in the girls reason for some odd reason.

If you disagree with this idea then explain why this time. Dont just come back with more of your pathetic reasons girls should be allowed to play boys hockey, while dancing around my post and not giving a response.

Actually, if anyone posts are pathetic, it's yours. You and others who would deny a girl the opportunity to play at the level they have the ability to play at only come up with the lame argument: "If girls can play with the boys, why can't boys play with the girls?"

If you want your boy to play girls hockey, GO FOR IT!!!!! I'll support your actions 100%. I would have NO problem with MN Hockey allowing a boy to play on a girl's team (and playing girl's rules).....although, my bet is that you wouldn't see a single boy do it. And I would also presume that you, yourself, probably don't want your son to play on a girl's team for the same reason that most people would think that it's ludicrous for them to do so.

While we have provided a valid reason for a talented girl to play on a youth "A" team, you have yet to provide a valid reason of why a boy should play with the girls. If "C" hockey is too competitive for your son, then sign him up for the MN Hockey Rec League..

There are many options available to the boys who want to play down levels if they can't hack it at youth C level....but the only option for many talented girls to play up is to play with the boys because they are too good for their girls program.

I'm just stunned that those like you can't see the difference between the two.......

Once again you have proven your ignorance of the situation. All I am trying to do is point out an unfair rule and come up with a proper solution and you do nothing but try to pass me off as someone who only wants whats best for the boys, and doesn't give a rats a$$ about girls hockey.

I dont need to give you a reason why a boy would want to play girls hockey, because people dont need to give a reason to do something. Just like how I dont need to give a specific reason I would want to sign my daughter up for hockey. It's a free country, if I want to do something I have the right to do it. I dont need to give a reason for everything I do to idiots like you.

However, I will give you an example just to prove my point. Say there are twin siblings who both play hockey, one being a girl and one being a boy. Both have equal talent levels, but the boy gets cut from the squirt B team. So he tries out for the U10s, and makes the A team along with his sister. Not only has he accomplished making a better team than he would have originally played on had he played with the boys (U10A is for the most part considered to be better hockey than squirt C), but his parents also cut their gas costs for driving their children to and from hockey in half.

I have given my personal solution to the problem and you have yet to respond to that, even though it seems to be a perfect solution based on your previous posts[/code]

[muckandgrind]

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Your posts on this topic have become absolutely pathetic. If you think that boys wouldn't want to play on girls teams, why are you against opening up the rule to allow boys to play with the girls if they want to???? If no boys play on girls hockey even though they are allowed to you are solving the problem by.

1. Allowing girls to participate on boys teams, allowing them to play at the level they want.

2. Silence people such as myself who have done nothing but stated the obvious. If girls can play with boys, then it would be wrong not to allow boys to play with girls!!!


Based on your arguments this would be the perfect solution. If not then you obviously have some type of hidden agenda to keep the rule tilted in the girls reason for some odd reason.

If you disagree with this idea then explain why this time. Dont just come back with more of your pathetic reasons girls should be allowed to play boys hockey, while dancing around my post and not giving a response.

Actually, if anyone posts are pathetic, it's yours. You and others who would deny a girl the opportunity to play at the level they have the ability to play at only come up with the lame argument: "If girls can play with the boys, why can't boys play with the girls?"

If you want your boy to play girls hockey, GO FOR IT!!!!! I'll support your actions 100%. I would have NO problem with MN Hockey allowing a boy to play on a girl's team (and playing girl's rules).....although, my bet is that you wouldn't see a single boy do it. And I would also presume that you, yourself, probably don't want your son to play on a girl's team for the same reason that most people would think that it's ludicrous for them to do so.

While we have provided a valid reason for a talented girl to play on a youth "A" team, you have yet to provide a valid reason of why a boy should play with the girls. If "C" hockey is too competitive for your son, then sign him up for the MN Hockey Rec League..

There are many options available to the boys who want to play down levels if they can't hack it at youth C level....but the only option for many talented girls to play up is to play with the boys because they are too good for their girls program.

I'm just stunned that those like you can't see the difference between the two.......

Once again you have proven your ignorance of the situation. All I am trying to do is point out an unfair rule and come up with a proper solution and you do nothing but try to pass me off as someone who only wants whats best for the boys, and doesn't give a rats a$$ about girls hockey.

I dont need to give you a reason why a boy would want to play girls hockey, because people dont need to give a reason to do something. Just like how I dont need to give a specific reason I would want to sign my daughter up for hockey. It's a free country, if I want to do something I have the right to do it. I dont need to give a reason for everything I do to idiots like you.

However, I will give you an example just to prove my point. Say there are twin siblings who both play hockey, one being a girl and one being a boy. Both have equal talent levels, but the boy gets cut from the squirt B team. So he tries out for the U10s, and makes the A team along with his sister. Not only has he accomplished making a better team than he would have originally played on had he played with the boys (U10A is for the most part considered to be better hockey than squirt C), but his parents also cut their gas costs for driving their children to and from hockey in half.

I have given my personal solution to the problem and you have yet to respond to that, even though it seems to be a perfect solution based on your previous posts[/code]

I'd beg to differ that U10A is better than Squirt C.....but, just to humor you and for the sake of argument, I'll go along with your premise....Sure, I'd be OK with him playing U10A...but, in reality, I'm sure most would argue that they would both be better off playing Squirt C together.

Just to prove why I think Squirt C is better than U10A....I've seen Squirt A teams "scrimmage" U12A teams and beat them soundly. So it would be no stretch to assume that many or most Squirt C teams could also compete and probably beat most U10A teams.

After reading your posts, my guess is that you have not watched alot of girls hockey at U12 and below. Because if you had, I'm sure you would agree with what we're talking about here.

[HockeyDad41]

C'mon Hammer! You gonna just take that?

[spin-o-rama]

However, I will give you an example just to prove my point. Say there are twin siblings who both play hockey, one being a girl and one being a boy. Both have equal talent levels, but the boy gets cut from the squirt B team. So he tries out for the U10s, and makes the A team along with his sister. Not only has he accomplished making a better team than he would have originally played on had he played with the boys (U10A is for the most part considered to be better hockey than squirt C), but his parents also cut their gas costs for driving their children to and from hockey in half.

If only you had been around to advise the Wendells, Erik could have been an Olympian on Krissy's team.

[ilike2score]

I am attempting a different spin on this one. Top four Professional sports in the U.S are Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey. To the best of my knowledge their is zero females playing Professional at the highest level.errr. I mean Men. Another analogy... Track and Field athletes....Their is many women at all ages who are faster and stronger who throw further and jump higher and run faster than their Male peers. BUT- Track and Field Has gotten this one right. I have never, ever, Never, and I Pray this continues....that A woman competes in the same division as a man in Track and Field. And if you do not understand that , you are stupid.

[hammer99]

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Actually, if anyone posts are pathetic, it's yours. You and others who would deny a girl the opportunity to play at the level they have the ability to play at only come up with the lame argument: "If girls can play with the boys, why can't boys play with the girls?"

If you want your boy to play girls hockey, GO FOR IT!!!!! I'll support your actions 100%. I would have NO problem with MN Hockey allowing a boy to play on a girl's team (and playing girl's rules).....although, my bet is that you wouldn't see a single boy do it. And I would also presume that you, yourself, probably don't want your son to play on a girl's team for the same reason that most people would think that it's ludicrous for them to do so.

While we have provided a valid reason for a talented girl to play on a youth "A" team, you have yet to provide a valid reason of why a boy should play with the girls. If "C" hockey is too competitive for your son, then sign him up for the MN Hockey Rec League..

There are many options available to the boys who want to play down levels if they can't hack it at youth C level....but the only option for many talented girls to play up is to play with the boys because they are too good for their girls program.

I'm just stunned that those like you can't see the difference between the two.......

Once again you have proven your ignorance of the situation. All I am trying to do is point out an unfair rule and come up with a proper solution and you do nothing but try to pass me off as someone who only wants whats best for the boys, and doesn't give a rats a$$ about girls hockey.

I dont need to give you a reason why a boy would want to play girls hockey, because people dont need to give a reason to do something. Just like how I dont need to give a specific reason I would want to sign my daughter up for hockey. It's a free country, if I want to do something I have the right to do it. I dont need to give a reason for everything I do to idiots like you.

However, I will give you an example just to prove my point. Say there are twin siblings who both play hockey, one being a girl and one being a boy. Both have equal talent levels, but the boy gets cut from the squirt B team. So he tries out for the U10s, and makes the A team along with his sister. Not only has he accomplished making a better team than he would have originally played on had he played with the boys (U10A is for the most part considered to be better hockey than squirt C), but his parents also cut their gas costs for driving their children to and from hockey in half.

I have given my personal solution to the problem and you have yet to respond to that, even though it seems to be a perfect solution based on your previous posts[/code]

I'd beg to differ that U10A is better than Squirt C.....but, just to humor you and for the sake of argument, I'll go along with your premise....Sure, I'd be OK with him playing U10A...but, in reality, I'm sure most would argue that they would both be better off playing Squirt C together.

Just to prove why I think Squirt C is better than U10A....I've seen Squirt A teams "scrimmage" U12A teams and beat them soundly. So it would be no stretch to assume that many or most Squirt C teams could also compete and probably beat most U10A teams.

After reading your posts, my guess is that you have not watched alot of girls hockey at U12 and below. Because if you had, I'm sure you would agree with what we're talking about here.

I have in fact seen my fair share of hockey at the U12 level and below, I have also witnessed scrimages between U10A teams, and squirt C teams. All of them have resulted in a victory for the U10A teams.


That's beside the point. You have Yet again avoided responding to my proposal to allow boys to play girls hockey.

[muckandgrind]

I have in fact seen my fair share of hockey at the U12 level and below, I have also witnessed scrimages between U10A teams, and squirt C teams. All of them have resulted in a victory for the U10A teams.

Doubtful.....My BS meter is telling me that you probably aren't telling the truth here.

That's beside the point. You have Yet again avoided responding to my proposal to allow boys to play girls hockey.

Then you haven't been reading my posts. I've said many times that I would have no problem with boys playing on girls teams. Go back and read them again. If you want your Johnny to play with Janey, I think you should be allowed to. If you want to make a plea before Minnesota Hockey, get on the agenda and let me know when you will be making your plea. I'll show up and support you in your efforts.

[muckandgrind]

I am attempting a different spin on this one. Top four Professional sports in the U.S are Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey. To the best of my knowledge their is zero females playing Professional at the highest level.errr. I mean Men. Another analogy... Track and Field athletes....Their is many women at all ages who are faster and stronger who throw further and jump higher and run faster than their Male peers. BUT- Track and Field Has gotten this one right. I have never, ever, Never, and I Pray this continues....that A woman competes in the same division as a man in Track and Field. And if you do not understand that , you are stupid.

We're not talking about professional hockey, we're talking about youth hockey. Apples and oranges.

I think it's fairly plain to see that women will never play in the NHL, or Men's D-I for that matter. The physical differences between men and women at those ages would prevent it.

But when you are talking about kids at the ages of 12-13 and younger, the physical differences aren't as pronounced...Thus, there should be no reason why an extremely talented girl shouldn't be afforded the opportunity to try out for a youth "A" team if the girls program in her area doesn't have a program to provide her a challenge sufficient to progess her development along.

I'm still astonished that so many feel threatened by a girl wanting to play-up.....It appears that many of us are extremely insecure.