Wisconsin Fire

[scoreandscoreoften]

No Fire, Machine parent will comment and risk their kid being kicked off the team.

[dogeatdog1]

No Fire, Machine parent will comment and risk their kid being kicked off the team.

Fear what a great motivator...

[HockeyDad41]

I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.

[hotsauce]

I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.

So, if your boy was on the ice and messed up a drill and was made to go to center ice without a helmet and suck his thumb, while being laughed at by his peers, you would accept that as a good teaching tool? Not trying to start a huge argument, just curious.

[HockeyDad41]

I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.

So, if your boy was on the ice and messed up a drill and was made to go to center ice without a helmet and suck his thumb, while being laughed at by his peers, you would accept that as a good teaching tool? Not trying to start a huge argument, just curious.

I think I understand what you are saying.

I would respond that it depends.

I would have to be there to see how it played out. If BM lost his cool and created a huge colorful scene, then I probably would have a problem with it. If it's just a penalty like the knee bends and pushups I probably wouldn't care.

[trippedovertheblueline]

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I believe this team is USA hockey registered? I don't think a player can execute a on ice activity without a helmet on? So I would think this is a made up story.

[elliott70]

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I believe this team is USA hockey registered? I don't think a player can execute a on ice activity without a helmet on? So I would think this is a made up story.

MM are not USAH registered teams.

[High Off The Glass]

I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that

it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.[/

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HD41 put YOUR kid out at center ice and I bet it's a big deal now. It seems to me that MM parents seem to turn their heads when it's someone else's kid, "if I didn't see it, it didn't happen". The bigger question is this: You finally get fed up with BM antics and you pull your kid from the 99 Fire team...where do you go know? Remember the 99's didn't get a waiver from MN Hockey and can't simply go back to their associations. No, they must sit out a year or go spend a ton of money and fly around the country playing for a legitimate Tier 1 team. Fire parents find themselves in a real Catch 22-subject your kid to further BM antics or protect him and pull him off the team and sit the rest of the year and the next. Not going to say I told you so, but...

[High Off The Glass]

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I believe this team is USA hockey registered? I don't think a player can execute a on ice activity without a helmet on? So I would think this is a made up story.

MM are not USAH registered teams.

I believe TOBL was referring to Wis Fire Teams as being registered with USA Hockey, not Minnesota Made, but I can see how one could easily mistake one for the other.

[muckandgrind]

Does the team have reversible jerseys? One side red and the other orange? One jersey for the whole calender year!!! BM could save a few pennies that way I would presume.

[iwearmysunglassesatnight]

[quote="muckandgrind"]Does the team have reversible jerseys? One side red and the other orange? One jersey for the whole calender year!!! BM could save a few pennies that way I would presume.[/quote]

FYI, it is his pennies, learned first hand.

[OrangeKoolaid]

Who cares if MM buys $20 jerseys? If you put Crosby in a $20 jersey it's still Crosby! If you put a lousy kid in a $200 jersey he is still lousy. Maybe each team at MM can buy an extra 10 hours of ice with the money they save because they wear $20 jerseys.

[MrBoDangles]

Who cares if MM buys $20 jerseys? If you put Crosby in a $20 jersey it's still Crosby! If you put a lousy kid in a $200 jersey he is still lousy. Maybe each team at MM can buy an extra 10 hours of ice with the money they save because they wear $20 jerseys.

10 hours of ice or more money in Bernies pocket?

Difference in price for the AAA teams only.......... is $80,000.00

Wake Up!

[jancze5]

I love the Fire thread, always an interesting read

[old goalie85]

Was that the 97 fire up in Rosau last week ??? I thought Mn hockey said we can't play them. Or was that D2 ?

[Task Force 34]

97 Fire lost to Roseau in the Championship game.


Pool Play
97 Fire 6 Mankato 0
97 Fire 11 TRF 3
97 Fire 2 Grand Forks Wheat Kings 1 - OT/SO

Semi-Finals
97 Fire 3 East Grand Forks 2

Finals
Roseau 4 97 Fire 1

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Congratulations to Roseau hockey again...97's are a bantam level depending on birth year positioning and it will always amaze and fascinate how a community of 3000 can compete with the elite fire program as well as large MSP organized hockey associations...with all the team positioning, rules, regulations, and stagnation towards metro youth hockey, it is refreshing to see a real hockey community take the #1 tourney position.

[High Off The Glass]

Okay MrBoBoma I was waiting for your next comment to be that we need to spread the wealth and take from Bernie and redistribute to D6. Why do you care what Bernie makes? If he is giving the kids 10 extra hours of ice and pocketing an additional $80K by going with cheap jerseys then good for Bernie! I think you should contact the local ACORN office and sign up because you would make a good recruit. You need to wake up!

HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver?

There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out.

The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

The rule was put into place this past summer and there is no 98 Fire team this year so why would the kid have to sit out? He did the smart thing and got out when he could. 99's did not get grandfathered in and if your a MN player and play on the Fire THIS year-you ain't coming back to MN Hockey next year without sitting for 12 months. Please try to keep up!

[O-townClown]

HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver? There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out. The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

Who is paying for the two kids to fly all over the country?

[MrBoDangles]

Okay MrBoBoma I was waiting for your next comment to be that we need to spread the wealth and take from Bernie and redistribute to D6. Why do you care what Bernie makes? If he is giving the kids 10 extra hours of ice and pocketing an additional $80K by going with cheap jerseys then good for Bernie! I think you should contact the local ACORN office and sign up because you would make a good recruit. You need to wake up!

HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver? There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out. The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

If you want to keep thinking the money saved is for the parents/kids go ahead...... The way people bail from there shows that the Jimmy Jones wears off after a while. There is still hope for ya.

[OrangeKoolaid]

HOTG - Then how are Choice kids able to come back into their associations without waiting 12 months?

[High Off The Glass]

HOTG - Then how are Choice kids able to come back into their associations without waiting 12 months?

If the Choice (squirt and above) kids play D6, then you got issues coming back (see lawsuit thread). The MN Hockey rule pertains to MN kids leaving the state to play for a non-Tier 1 USA Hockey organization, such as WIS FIRE. I know no question is a dumb question, but please do your homework.

[OrangeKoolaid]

HOTG - The Fire now have Tier 1 status and because the players are not making a lateral move they can come back to association hockey without having to play at the "B" level.

With regard to D6, they are going to lose the legal battle and strengthen MN Made's position.

[MnMade-4-Life]

00 Fire Vs. The Green Army Edina Squirt A

???

[High Off The Glass]

HOTG - The Fire now have Tier 1 status and because the players are not making a lateral move they can come back to association hockey without having to play at the "B" level.

With regard to D6, they are going to lose the legal battle and strengthen MN Made's position.

Facts please. When did the Tier 1 status get reinstated, since the filing deadline was last April 2010?