7AA for 2017-2018

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:22 pm

Marshall and ER are within the tie breaker of CEC.

CEC is ahead of Marshall via head to head.

Overall winning (assuming win out and no HUGE adjustmetn to QRF)
CEC
ER
Marshall

So
1 DEAST
2 Andover
3 CEC
4 Elk River
5 DMarshall
6 Forest Lake
7 St Francis
8 Grand Rapids
9 Cambridge

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:25 pm

So
1 DEAST
2 Andover
3 CEC
4 Elk River
5 DMarshall
6 Forest Lake
7 St Francis
8 Grand Rapids
9 Cambridge

Play in game
GRapids over Cambridge

QF
Deast over Grapids
Elk River and DMarshall ?

Andover over St Francis
CEC and Forest Laake?

Interesting QF games.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:36 pm

Play in game
GRapids over Cambridge

QF
Deast over Grapids
Elk River and DMarshall ?

Andover over St Francis
CEC and Forest Laake?

Interesting QF games.[/quote]

Agreed the Elk/DM and CEC/Flake games could be interesting for sure.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:50 pm

elliott70 wrote:Marshall and ER are within the tie breaker of CEC.

CEC is ahead of Marshall via head to head.

Overall winning (assuming win out and no HUGE adjustmetn to QRF)
CEC
ER
Marshall

So
1 DEAST
2 Andover
3 CEC
4 Elk River
5 DMarshall
6 Forest Lake
7 St Francis
8 Grand Rapids
9 Cambridge

Makes sense.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:26 pm

If ER is within the tiebreak margin of CEC won’t they leapfrog them if their overall record is better?

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Here are the numbers (since it says winning % a tie is as bad as a loss)
Conference winning percentage: Marshall (4-3-1) 50%
Cloquet-Esko-Carlton (6-2-1) 66.7%
Elk River (12-4) 75%, 76.5% if they beat
Armstrong
Overall Winning ercentage: Marshall (15-7-2) 62.5%, 64% if they beat
Greenway
CEC (17-6-1) 70.83%, 72% if they beat Rapids
Elk River (16-7) 69.56%, if they win the
remaining two games 72%, win one 68%
Section winning percentage: Marshall (3-3) <25% of games played
CEC (4-2-1) 57.1%
Elk River (2-2) <25% of games played

No head to head games between Elk River and Marshall and Elk River and CEC so the next tiebreaker is Conference winning percentage so Elk River would have the edge. If Elk River wins out they and CEC would tie on the Overall winning percecentage. If they lose to Hill-Murray CEC edges them out on Overall winning percentage. Based on this it would be Elk River, Cloquet-Esko-Carlton and then Marshall. If ties are treated differently throw this all out. Also if teams are in different conferences does the Conference winning percentage tiebreaker apply?

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Traxler wrote:If ER is within the tiebreak margin of CEC won’t they leapfrog them if their overall record is better?

If both win out CEC would be 18-6-1 and elk would be 18-7 so CEC would have the better overall record

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:36 pm

Conference is out. It used to apply to football but they now use 'district'.

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:37 pm

It would depend on how the tie figures in. Winning percentage to me would be total wins over the total games played. In that case both have won 18 out of 25, i.e. 72%. With the QRF being the next tiebreaker it just might get down to that. Lot riding on the Hill-Murray/Elk River game. If the Elks lose CEC would definetly win the tiebreakers.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:47 pm

greenwayraider wrote:It would depend on how the tie figures in. Winning percentage to me would be total wins over the total games played. In that case both have won 18 out of 25, i.e. 72%. With the QRF being the next tiebreaker it just might get down to that. Lot riding on the Hill-Murray/Elk River game. If the Elks lose CEC would definetly win the tiebreakers.

If they tie after the win% then its the higher QRF and if some how they tie that then its a coin flip

FROM- MN SCORES
How are ties (soccer, hockey etc) calculated?

The same as above, with no bonus for winning the game (because you didnt). The value of Y is split in half between winning and losing points.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:26 pm

All to confusing. I guess we won’t really now until the 16th.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:54 pm

It does look pretty straightforward if CEC, DM, and ER all win out that they will finish:

3 CEC
4 ER
5 DM

I assume that if ER loses to H-M that will stick them with the 5 seed assumig DM beats Greenway. As kniven points out, CEC isn’t guaranteed to beat Holum and GR, so it really is still up in the air. All that appears to be settled is 1-2 and 6-9.

TheHockeyDJ · Post by **TheHockeyDJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Looking at schedules and results it seems St. Francis shouldn’t be ahead of Rapids. That’s computer flaw for you.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:25 pm

TheHockeyDJ wrote:Looking at schedules and results it seems St. Francis shouldn’t be ahead of Rapids. That’s computer flaw for you.

I’d rather play Andover than East in the Quarterfinals too.

northwoods oldtimer · Post by **northwoods oldtimer** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:36 pm

TheHockeyDJ wrote:Looking at schedules and results it seems St. Francis shouldn’t be ahead of Rapids. That’s computer flaw for you.

Take the (8 vs. 9) play-in this season DJ as ImmigrantADfan needs every dime of gate fee in 2018.

TheHockeyDJ · Post by **TheHockeyDJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:50 pm

northwoods oldtimer wrote:
TheHockeyDJ wrote:Looking at schedules and results it seems St. Francis shouldn’t be ahead of Rapids. That’s computer flaw for you.
Take the (8 vs. 9) play-in this season DJ as ImmigrantADfan needs every dime of gate fee in 2018.

I don't really care where they play this season. Fact is there is no way anyone can logically explain how St. Francis with their results should be higher in the seeds. The reason I don't like it is because it makes me concerned for future seasons when Rapids has a contender and could be impacted. Initially I thought the QRF wasn't a bad idea. It's just that when you compare GR's results with St. Francis results and their strength of schedule I am dumbfounded as to how St. Francis can get a better score. On another note, I don't get what your deal is with Immigrant fan.

TheHockeyDJ · Post by **TheHockeyDJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:52 pm

WTH? Rapids up 3-0 on Cloquet in the 1st. Holy smokes

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:03 pm

TheHockeyDJ wrote:WTH? Rapids up 3-0 on Cloquet in the 1st. Holy smokes

Yep. I think the boys want the 5 seed in the playoffs.

Upfan111 · Post by **Upfan111** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:14 pm

kniven wrote:
TheHockeyDJ wrote:WTH? Rapids up 3-0 on Cloquet in the 1st. Holy smokes
Yep. I think the boys want the 5 seed in the playoffs.

Be positive Kniven.

But to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if Rapids wins. A Smalley coached team tends to get upset at times throughout the year; big win over East and then take a loss. (Superior for example)

north_bear · Post by **north_bear** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:39 pm

GR over Cloquet 4-3 with Clafton in net. Nice win!

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:54 pm

Upfan111 wrote:
kniven wrote:
TheHockeyDJ wrote:WTH? Rapids up 3-0 on Cloquet in the 1st. Holy smokes
Yep. I think the boys want the 5 seed in the playoffs.
Be positive Kniven.

But to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if Rapids wins. A Smalley coached team tends to get upset at times throughout the year; big win over East and then take a loss. (Superior for example)

You called it Upfan. Takes much of the drama out of who the 3 seed will be. As much as I have always liked Cloquet I’m going to have to root for East at sectionals. Cloquet does not consistently bring their “A” game. They would give East their toughest game in Sectionals but seem to only have one bullet in their gun.

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:54 pm

north_bear wrote:GR over Cloquet 4-3 with Clafton in net. Nice win!

WOW...beat DE & Moorhead...lose to Superior & GR.

By a large margin...the most unpredictable team of 2017-2018.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:14 pm

I am pretty sure that CEC felt so bad about stealing the 3 seed last year that they would just play themselves into the spot. Of course if this was last year CEC would have to vote Rapids ahead of them because they lost to them late in the season.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:25 pm

kniven wrote:
TheHockeyDJ wrote:WTH? Rapids up 3-0 on Cloquet in the 1st. Holy smokes
Yep. I think the boys want the 5 seed in the playoffs.

Doesn’t look like CEC can finish any lower than the 4 seed since they own the tiebreaker vs Marshall. I assume Elk River needs to win their final 2 games to secure the 3 seed.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:30 pm

Elks could be up against it, against a good Catholic school like Hill Murray playing on Ash Wednesday, the holiest of holy days. Or it could work in their favor...