Minnesota Vikings

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:15 am

Well, just as I predicted,<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> the Vikings have turned it around and have got themselves back to respectible. You have to admit that the last couple of games have been very entertaining....which is really what people want. I doubt they will make the playoffs. It looks like a WC is out of the question and being 2 games behind da Bears might be too many. Id be surprised if da bears dont win 10. But if they can play like they have lately, it will at least be fun to watch. Is Tice getting better? Its been on the job training for him. Has he learned enough to be competent? He calls timeout last night with his team on the one yard line, first and goal after a pass interfernce penalty. WHY?

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:33 pm

is a great song on the Rolling Stones "Some Girls" album and is now running through my head. Thanks packerboy. I don't know if rising up to 2nd in the NFC North is really respectable, I'd use the word 'mediocre' myself. It's a reflection of how far they'd fallen that they could now even be considered respectable. It does seem that the ship has been righted, the last two wins have been impressive especially considering how poorly they had played on the road earlier. I do find it interesting that the loss of Smoot has not effected the secondary, in fact they seem to be better without him. Is he all show and no go or was the Carolina game a poor reflection of his skills? In general, the defense has played as well in the last three games as I've seen in a long time. The interceptions have been huge, it's nice to see guys make the catch instead of watching the ball hit their hands and then the ground. The specials teams have also been huge, they've finally got two good kickers. I'd like to see Edinger be more consistent earlier in the games but he's been rock solid at the end. This seems to be a neglected and underrated part of the game, but if you have a defense that can stop the other team and an offense that doesn't make mistakes the special teams can win the game for you. I'd still fire Tice at this point. I'd give him a C right now, it would've been an F three games ago. The team does seem to be gelling right now but they've dug themselves a good hole.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:03 am

I would say that any team 5-5 in playoff contention is respectable. The Eagles and Ravens would take it...talk about falling far. The Pats are 6-4. Remember, this team was 8-8 last year. The best record in the last 4 seasons was 9-7. I would also fire Tice but I have a feeling that isnt going to happen. Anybody who can beat Green Bay 3 times in a row is OK with a lot of people.

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:48 am

What a game he had. Monday Night, against John Madden's life partner, his holyness Brett Favre, and his first ever game with significant playing time. And he returns a pick for a touchdown and has that key pass breakup on the last Packers drive. And packerboy, I agree with almost all of what you said, but if Tice does not make the playoffs, he will probably be fired. Zygi is a new owner, and he will probably want to get a coach that would be more of his kind of guy. Not saying Tice isn't, but Zygi would rather select the coach, and not be stuck with one from the previous owner. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:42 am

How many coaches get fired after a winning season? If they finish .500 or above he will proabably keep his job. However, If i am the owner, I would want to know from Tice how thw first 7 games of the season happened and how it isnt going to happen again. In todays NFL, coaches have to adapt to new personnel and changes in coaching staffs every year. I dont think he did that very well and as a result they were horrible. Obviously, that cant happen on a regular basis.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:20 pm

This team should finish 10-6, possibly 11-5. Their early season troubles will keep them out of the play-offs though as they lost head to head against Atlanta, Tampa, and Carolina. The Bears may stink on offense, but they continue to win and I just can't see them dropping 3 games to let the Vikes win the division anymore. The tie breakers just don't fall in the Vikings favor, the only one they have a chance at is if they end up tied only with the Giants for a wildcard berth and just a two way tie isn't likely at this point. Zygi will have many legitimate reasons to fire Tice if the Vikes miss the play-offs, I like Tice, but I think he's gone.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:09 pm

Based on what I read I think he will be around for awhile. Zygi drops the inadequate coaching staff excuse in the press about once a week. It sounds like he has his mind made up that since Tice did not have what he should have had, it wasnt his fault. We shall see but thats whta it sounds like to me right now.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:49 pm

They havent beaten anybody except the Giants but at least they are winning. Its fun to watch them play well again.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:41 pm

I gotta agree, especially after how awful they looked at the beginning of the season. It's nice to watch a Viking team with a defense, it's been a long time.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:48 am

Its nice to watch them win. But I still miss Randy <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

TylerDurden · Post by **TylerDurden** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:39 pm

Another big win for the Vikings today, gaining a game on the Chicago Bears. It's nice to see a team finishing the year solid, rather than starting it solid and going downhill from there. Today the defense was excellent and kept them in the game. Offense could use a little work, but there's not too much to complain about when you post up 27 on the board. However in the remainder of the season, [and hopefully in the playoffs] they'll be seeing better defenses. I'm excited to see how the year winds down for the Vikes.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:10 pm

I miss him to ER but I miss the way he was in '98 and the first few seasons. He had become more trouble that he was worth. Well, I have a feeling that they will finish 10-6 and out of the playoffs. Tice deserves credit for the rebound but what in the heck was goin on for the first 7 weeks? All of this talk about Dante vs Johnson is dumb. I am really looking forward to a healthy Dante next year with this recieving corps, a functional offensive line, and a defense that can actually stop people and force turnovers.

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:04 pm

The Vikings got two Pro Bowlers: Darren Sharper, and Koren Robinson as a KR. Good for them- they earned it. Especially my guy KoRo- to go from unwanted to a Pro Bowler in less than a year is a great story. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

EREmpireStrikesBack · Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:48 pm

Let the offseason talk begin... What draft position? What position/who do we draft? Coach Tice back? Billick possibly? College coach? What do we do with Daunte? Free agents? Do we spend big? What positions? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:38 pm

I will take the draft part first. I want DeAngelo Williams, the RB out of Memphis. If he is gone, then how about a safety to take over for Chavous or Sharper when they are done. I like Darnell Bing from USC, maybe LaRon Landry from LSU pr Greg Blue from Georgia. Also, as a Terrell Suggs type player, we could get Elvis Dumervil from Lousiville, who can play DE or OLB. Also, at some point, a guard could be useful. Lastly, just throwing this out, but if Birk can't return to his Pro Bowl form, how about Greg Eslinger to become the next Viking center. As for coach, while Tice as done an adequate job, I think we should part ways and somehow lure Kirk Ferentz up I-35 to Minneapolis. His teams seem to do well in the Metrodome. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Daunte should be our QB next year. One bad, injury plagued year is just one year. If this continues, we might have to consider other options. But right now, keeping Daunte as our starter is the right thing. Free Agency- I believe we have the cap room to bring in some marquee guys, and one I would like would be Shaun Alexander. He is tearing up the league this year, and I believe is scheduled to become a FA. This would, of course, change our draft philosophy, but Alexander is an elite, game changing back that, with this D, could bring the Vikes deep into the playoffs. As I said earlier, bringing in a guard would not be a bad idea also. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

EREmpireStrikesBack · Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:22 am

I agree with koren for the most part. All I believe we need to do is get a stud RB, shore up the line and add a piece here or there to the D. QB: Talk that Daunte might not be back until mid-season next year and that he won't be truely back into form until the next year. With that, if Brad Johnson doesn't come back we need to sign a reliable veteran QB. So get a solid vet, see how Daunte recovers and go from there. Also, I think getting a QB in the 5th round or so for development wouldn't be terrible. Shaun Hill is as good as dead. Someone will probably drop and we should jump on it. RB: We need a #1 RB! Yea, its cool to have 4 different guys who all have their own style, but none of them goes out there and wears down the D. Let Bennett go and keep Moore, Fason & Onterrio. Then sign a stud FA such as Alexander, Jamal Lewis (I think he'd do ok for us) or who knows who could be released. The other option is the draft. I'd take this as the 2nd choice. Get a guy such as DeAngelo Williams or Laurence Maroney. Wouldn't be terrible again to see if someone drops to the 3rd or 4th round and take them. WR: I think we are pretty well set. Koren Robinson is either resigned with us or his agent said that he will sign with us. Burleson, KoRo, Taylor & Williamson are all young and will only get better. Then along with Wiggins & Kleinsasser give us very good pass catching options. Not really any of them is a true #1, but Robinson & Taylor were both drafted to be that with their former teams and Williamson is expected to be that for the Vikes. Hopefully one of them will step up and take it. OL: Birk coming back will be huge. Even if he comes back to 3/4 of what he was, that is still pretty damn good. Our tackles are set as long as they stay healthy. Like Koren said, the only help we need is at guard and depth on the line. Sign a semi-big time guard and draft a couple linemen. DL: Very solid IMO. James, Williams, Williams & Udeze across the front 4 is great. Then you have Johnstone and Spencer Johnson as the reserves. I don't see a need to get anyone, but again is someone slips or if there is a KoRo type of FA, take it. LB: This is another area that needs a big time guy. The draft is pretty deep at the OLB position with guys like Hawk, Greenway and Carpenter. Getting one of them in the first couple rounds would be great. Otherwise signing people for depth is our next best option. I would say no to going after LaVar Arrington as he isn't worth the $ and would disrupt what we have going for chemistry. DB: If we can find a way to keep Brian Williams, we are sitting pretty. Getting a guy like Darnell Bing to replace Chavous would be huge. Him or Greg Blue would be great in purple. If we don't keep BWill though, we need to get a decent nickle corner and hope that our safties hold up. Special Teams: Kluwe is ca$h, Edinger has been solid and KoRo has been way better than expected returning the ball. No complaints here. Coaching: I think Tice has to go. Yeah he "turned" the team around, but he never should have had to. They should have been at least .500 after the first 6 games. I like what Ted Cottrell did with the D, but Loney needs to leave. I'd like to either bring in Billick or someone who established themself like him or get someone like Ferentz from Iowa or Stoops from Oklahoma. I think new leadership will do wonders for this team. Stadium: We need a new one! Hopefully they figure something out and Zygi reaches into his pockets more than Red was gonna and finances it himself. That's my view on what they need to do this offseason. Obviously it would be hard to do all of it, but we are supposed to have around $20 million in cap room so most of it isn't out of the question. My main thing is getting a stud RB, shore up the line and bring in a few on D. Oh and a new coach & stadium. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:47 am

Thats pretty much what I said, except better.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> I think we should involve KoRo more in the offense next year. He is rejuvinated and I think he has the best tools at WR of anyone on the team. The only WR that I think has even close to KoRo's skills is Williamson, who is still developing. I think that we should let go of Marcus Robinson. He is good with jump balls, but he won't get as much playing time next year. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

JohnBasedow09 · Post by **JohnBasedow09** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:20 am

They need to obtain an offensive line in the offseason. They need to get their "head office" fixed. They need to get one of their RB back. As of now, we do not know how Dante is going to do with his knee injury, very few people have comeback to play as they had before with his injury.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:07 am

I'd bring Tice back, I'm not sure that there's a legitimate alternative out there. He has some severe draw backs, but get him a decent offensive coordinator and go from there. Onterrio Smith is a feature back, if he gets his head on straight which is a big if. Moore is to injury prone and probably not tough enough to be an everydown guy, Bennet is too small, and Fiason is a work in progress. They do need a short yardage guy badly, probably my #1 priority. Daunte has to be back, nobody would want to give anything for him anyhow after that injury. I think you have to go into the year with Johnson as your starter and let things go from there, but Tice will put Daunte out there on a crutch if he could. The defense is alright, though if I could get an OSU linebacker or that SS from PSU I'd jump on it. Get a couple of good O-linemen in free agency possibly a linebacker. Let Smoot and Harris go. I'd draft a QB with the first pick if Brady Quinn, or a real good pocket passer became available. Johnson is old, and Culpepper is getting up there, given the development of a good QB is 3 years in the making I think this is the time. Because the Vikes got 22 million under the cap, they can afford to draft for the future, mabye get a couple of guys who could step in as 2nd teamers or a 1st line linebacker.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:53 pm

You have ll accurately stated what is needed but ...thats quite a bit. They are a long way from being a championship team and they we will never win it with Tice. Tice is really being treated gently around here. Everybody wants to talk about the 6 game winning streak. He started put 2-5. But regardless, however he got there, he was 8-5 and lookin good for the playoffs. But then they whizinatored all over themselves vs the Steelers and Ravens. And after that .. Tice goes in and thanks his team ,"as men" ,for the 6 game win streak...pathetic.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:12 pm

I don't really think Tice is a great coach, but I don't think firing him for the sake of firing him is a good idea. If they can get a good replacement, can him Monday. If they're just going to recycle Jim Fassel, Norv Turner or Dom Capers are we any better off?

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:59 pm

Heard a rumor that Tice was officially fired. Don't have conformation, but look at the paper tomorrow, and it might feature him out of a job. While on the subject of lame duck head coaches, how about this fiasco with Glen Mason and the Gophers. Neither side is looking good in this. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter GriffinEdited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... oren808</A> at: 12/30/05 11:59 pm

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:23 pm

Well Tice is gone. Zygi sounds like he is on a mission. Can't wait to see what happens. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:43 am

That needed to be done. He is not head coaching material...yet. It wasnt fair to put him in the position in the first place. We will see how Tice does but I wonder if , long term, he should have passed on this job and worked his way to a coordinator job before becoming the head guy....especially with Red as the owner. I agree with those that say lets not get a retread in here. But they have a veteran team that isnt that far away. Do we go with an inexperienced guy? Its too bad a heavy weight isnt available. What about Mooch?

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:55 am

Do you really think he is any good?

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