no A team but ranked as a B team

hangumhigh · Post by **hangumhigh** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:55 am

Como pull out the stops and play real hockey. "A" hockey If not go back to playground hockey. Oh that's right you alredy have your teams at playgroun level.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

barado23 · Post by **barado23** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:58 am

Hangumhigh, You should run for district president in the TC they need a little leadership. Pimp Daddy is Back!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

bowlman3 · Post by **bowlman3** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:04 pm

I heard that Johnsonprez was going to be the next President.

JOHNSONPREZ · Post by **JOHNSONPREZ** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:54 pm

Bowlman3, Where ever you heard that it is positively NO!!!!!!!!!!!

bowlman3 · Post by **bowlman3** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:58 pm

OK - maybe it was someone else from the Johnson program. All I know is someone said it was one of the big coaches.

hangumhigh · Post by **hangumhigh** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:06 pm

Yes, There has to be a weight limit set on the Johnson coaches. Ramsey County is only going to replace so many benches. Which one weighs the most we should have a contest. I will go first: Squirt coach he has to go 3 bills Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... gumhigh</A> at: 3/2/06 2:08 pm

hockeymannn17 · Post by **hockeymannn17** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:03 am

You should take a geography lesson since you obviously have no idea where Como is. Also think you should be eating some humble pie. Looks like Como was rated a B team because that is what they were. And they may have been knocked out of Regionals but they had three good games with three very good competitors. And where was your team? FYI, Roseville lost in 3OT to WBL as well.

JOHNSONPREZ · Post by **JOHNSONPREZ** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:20 am

Yeah but look they lost to the second "B" Team at White Bear and Beat one of 2 "B" teams in Woodbury and than got beat buy one of the numerous "B" teams in Wayzata. Sounds like redistricting is not going to help size seems to matter and no matter what small associations don't seem to have any business being involved in Minnesota Hockey other than an occassional team from the North.

Rinkrat95 · Post by **Rinkrat95** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:29 am

RED LAKE FALLS This is where Elliot70 should have posted his Red Lake Falls team. They don't have an A team, but he was bragging about them making it to state.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:35 am

RinkRat95 Just for arguements sake, when should an association be required to field an A team? If they have 2 teams or 20 kids try out ..? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">

Rinkrat95 · Post by **Rinkrat95** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:44 am

______________________ Just for arguements sake, when should an association be required to field an A team? ______________________ Always. Its called a game. Competition, its what real life is like. If you have enough players to play Two A teams, more power to you. If you don't, you teach the kids that some people are better at some things than you are. You work as hard as you can to get better and you play with passion. If you get beat, stand up and do it harder. If you are just out for fun - play pond hockey - you can come and go when you want and you don't have parents around to scream at you about what you did wrong. Its a real problem in our world. There are too many people saying they would rather feel better about themselves, but you will not find one study done on self image that says it can be changed by what happens to you in a sport. Your self image is set long before you will ever play hockey.

Gildan2036 · Post by **Gildan2036** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:40 pm

I think it is a year by year thing. Most people would agree that there are going to be some programs that always have a good team on the top because of numbers, but then there are down years for those guys too.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:59 pm

so a team can barely field (15 players) a team and they should be playing A hockey that is your opinion right? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">

Rinkrat95 · Post by **Rinkrat95** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:05 pm

so a team can barely field (15 players) a team and they should be playing A hockey that is your opinion right? Yes, because I've coached against teams with 9 players and we didn't have a chance. I've also coached against teams with 20 players and stopped counting after 2 periods.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:14 pm

seriously though do you think an association that barely fields a full team every year will compete consistantly with the other programs that are drawing from a pool of over 100? I understand that with kids, if there are 2 or 3 talented players on a team, it can make all the difference. But that usually isn't the case in the small programs. IMO, it is best to be left up to each assoc. to decide of they have an A caliber team. Yes, there will be years when they guess wrong. So what? I am curious if you think the program you coach for has all A teams. If not, are you fighting for it? From what I can tell from your posts, you believe this would make stronger players all around, correct? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">

4mn word4 · Post by **4mn word4** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:42 pm

Story Time <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> In the district 6 bantam B playoffs, Jefferson was playing Waconia (a program with no A team.) A bunch of the Jefferson bantam A team went to the game to support the B team. They were cheering the whole time and it was all in good fun. At the end of ther game Jefferson ended up losing 7-4. A few of the dads from Waconia thought it'd be cool get smart with the kids. They were pointing at the scoreboard and flicking them off. The Jefferson youth cheering section responded with an "Act Your Age" chant and then ended it with a "Got No A Team" chant. I thought this was very funny and clever. I think that it's Ok to start off with just a B team for maybe a year or two but then for your program to develop you have to step it up and field an A team. Your first couple years will be rough but it will only get better.

underst8ed · Post by **underst8ed** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:58 pm

Thats interesting. We played that group from Waconia a few years back when they were PeeWee B's. They had a player, Earls, skilled, good skater and a good foot taller and 20 lbs heavier than anyone else on the ice. We tied them 3-3 and had a blast doing it. Our goalie stood on his head and the skaters left it all on the ice. I guarentee you Wac did not have as much fun, despite the close game. They prob left the arena frustrated, I bet their goalies play was questioned and the coach prob skated the team the next few nights. That was the only dist game Wac didn't win that season and I will put up good money that says most, if not all their wins felt empty. I bet those guys don't remember much from that season Teams that play down trade memories for wins, challenges for stats. I don't know what Earls is doing now. No doubt HS hockey some where. But as he looks back, will he be consumed by the possibility that he would have been a better player if he had played A instead of B?

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:15 pm

These are 2 excellent examples of when a program probably should have stepped up and played A hockey. These examples will be there every year. The thing is though, there are many more teams that only field a B team that no one ever hears about. These are the teams that need to be in B hockey and not forced to move up. I can only use local examples such as Two Harbors, Silver Bay, Moose Lake. These are teams that don't hold tryouts. You want to play, here's your jersey. They are competitive B1 and B2 teams. I am sure there are dozens more throughout the state. What good would it do these small associations to have field an A team. NONE They would lose players and in turn the High School programs will soon be folded. I don't think that is what we want. This is supposed to game that is fun for the kids So let's let the kids play and have fun That's all I am saying (although rambling quite a bit) <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">

puckpasser06 · Post by **puckpasser06** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:24 pm

i bet have the the people are whining on this topic because they lost too a B team that don't have an A. I know are association is having a tuff time getting kids to join and I know that were happy to be playing hockey A or B.

puckbag8 · Post by **puckbag8** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:43 pm

In a small town it very hard to keep kids excited about hockey. Our association needs every kid that comes out. I see many teams who only have B teams that have 3 good players and the rest are very average or well belllow average. It is a hard decision for most associations to decide what level to play. Do we cater to the top players or do we do what is best for the program?

Rinkrat95 · Post by **Rinkrat95** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:27 am

Think of this in real life terms. Do we want half class students? Do we want Mid rate workers? Do we want the bar set at the average level? I don't. I want every kid to step up and follow along. I'm tired of disrespectful behavior. I'm tired of lazy effort. I'm tired of hearing excuses for the weak. Where are these kids supposed to learn how to be strong, deal with adversity and fight to make it to the top. We stopped doing that, and look where its got us. Yes, the program I coach in has "A" teams at all levels. At one time the program was one of the largest in the state and twin cities. Now, with immigration and socitey changes, we are left with almost nothing. BUT, we make due, push past and win or lose, we play.

Goldstick · Post by **Goldstick** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:56 pm

Rinkrat, I agree with your opinions. I too feel it's a great opportunity for kids to elevate the level of play. Eventually, the kids do step up and become better players. I've seen this with my own eyes. It is tough for the small assns, to finally cross that line, but once they do they need to try to stick with it. The small assns may not always be up to the calibur of the larger ones, for reasons that are obvious, but so what. It's competiton. If the parents and coaches maintain positive attitudes the kids will also. Parents need to stop measuring success by the number of wins. Instead look at the improvements the players make as a team and as individuals. In the long run they will become better teams and better players than they would have by just staying as a B team and whopping everyones butts.

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