Minnesota wild VS Minnesota AA boys state champion..

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:54 pm

I dont know if this has been asked before , but If it were to be no holding back hockey, full checking etc , What do you think the score would be.. And in the past 20 years , has there been a HS that could have possibly Held their own against this seasons wild ( just using this seasons wild as an example )

mnpuckster · Post by **mnpuckster** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:56 pm

15-0 Wild, with the HS goalie playing well...........This wouldn't even be close. I am suprised that anyone would think it would even be a game. 15-0 might be giving the HS team too much credit. Laugh out Loud.

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:01 pm

Yes , i realize its an obvious question, and it makes about as much sense as an "all minnesota " team playing sleepy eye ( which imo would be worse, about 30-0 give or take

) But I have always wanted to see something like this happen.. Or maybe the gophers vs wild, would be more entertaining

stillwildinIL · Post by **stillwildinIL** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:33 pm

Wild vs Aeros, is your best matchup if your talking about the Wild playing a team from a whole different level of hockey.

I wish the best high school teams in MN would play other states at a national tournament, so teams in for example IL are humbled by getting womped by a Roseau or EP each year

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:35 pm

NTDP recruits the absolute best high school players from all around the country, many travel and play in world class tournaments. They go sub .500 against D1 schools. NHL teams are made up of select D1 talent.

The State Champs, A or AA, couldn't skate with any D1 programs around the country. Period. Players are much bigger, stronger, more experienced, etc, etc.

This is the same across any sport. Great example was a few years ago with Ohio State lost the Championship game being the favorite. They were dominant and had 7 players go and get drafted. People were talking about how they could play with the Dolphins that year. It just doesn't work that way.

Not only would the score be really high if something like this happened, say in the 40-0 range, but the puck would rarely see the opposite end.

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:36 pm

stillwildinIL wrote:Wild vs Aeros, is your best matchup if your talking about the Wild playing a team from a whole different level of hockey.

I wish the best high school teams in MN would play other states at a national tournament, so teams in for example IL are humbled by getting womped by a Roseau or EP each year

I have been waiting for since 97 when I was in HS at Duluth East for them to play a national tourney.. I dont think it would be even a competition as the mn teams would dominate everyone..

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:39 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:NDTP recruits the absolute best high school players from all around the country, many travel and play in world class tournaments. They go sub .500 against D1 schools. NHL teams are made up of select D1 talent.

The State Champs, A or AA, couldn't skate with any D1 programs around the country. Period. Players are much bigger, stronger, more experienced, etc, etc.

This is the same across any sport. Great example was a few years ago with Ohio State lost the Championship game being the favorite. They were dominant and had 7 players go and get drafted. People were talking about how they could play with the Dolphins that year. It just doesn't work that way.

Not only would the score be really high if something like this happened, say in the 40-0 range, but the puck would rarely see the opposite end.

very true.. Like mentioned above tho, I really wish the top 2 schools from the state could compete in a national HS tournament ( even tho Holy angels used to play state champs from other states, Mt St Charles RI comes to mind )

So is there an actual poll of the top 20 HS teams in the country??? If so I would believe that 15/20 would be minnesota teams

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:00 pm

Each state has their own ranking. Mitch Hawker has one for MN but also does many other states. He has a MN/WI/ND/MI ranking, which is as close as you get. At the end of the season, out of 441 schools, MN had 20 of the top 25. That being said, it's really hard to compare with no common opponents. But, right now Superior is WI's #2 team and they lost 3-1 to Denfeld.

http://www.ushsho.com/mnwirk.htm

Not sure if it's comparable, but the top IL school would've been #41 on that list.

The issue with playing a national tournament is that there isn't high school hockey many places. And some places have a bigger emphasis on other programs, like AAA and such. That being said, Shattuck is usually around #10 of the prep schools and competes with everyone and our schools they play compete with them. May not beat them, but if Holy Angels who is usually a top 15 team can compete with a top 15 prep school in the country, I'd say if there was some way to rank the top 64 teams in the nation, aside from NTDP, and we made a bracket, our top teams would be do well year in and year out.

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:18 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Each state has their own ranking. Mitch Hawker has one for MN but also does many other states. He has a MN/WI/ND/MI ranking, which is as close as you get. At the end of the season, out of 441 schools, MN had 20 of the top 25. That being said, it's really hard to compare with no common opponents. But, right now Superior is WI's #2 team and they lost 3-1 to Denfeld.

http://www.ushsho.com/mnwirk.htm

Not sure if it's comparable, but the top IL school would've been #41 on that list.

The issue with playing a national tournament is that there isn't high school hockey many places. And some places have a bigger emphasis on other programs, like AAA and such. That being said, Shattuck is usually around #10 of the prep schools and competes with everyone and our schools they play compete with them. May not beat them, but if Holy Angels who is usually a top 15 team can compete with a top 15 prep school in the country, I'd say if there was some way to rank the top 64 teams in the nation, aside from NTDP, and we made a bracket, our top teams would be do well year in and year out.

Nice post man.. Im sure theres a few good teams in MI, Penn, and on the east coast But yea between the dakotas, MN, and WI Im sure its pretty dominate.. Maybe we would have to go to the champions of somewhere in Canada.. How do you think our top MN teams would do against them, or are they the superior country

deacon · Post by **deacon** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:11 pm

an all-star college team would not even come close to beating the worst NHL team. I'm not quite sure what you were asking regarding a high school team vs the Wild, but, I mean, are you serious?

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:32 am

deacon wrote:an all-star college team would not even come close to beating the worst NHL team. I'm not quite sure what you were asking regarding a high school team vs the Wild, but, I mean, are you serious?

No I was kidding.. My new years resolution is to quit compulsive lying and eating spotted mushrooms

wingmaster · Post by **wingmaster** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:47 am

Boogaard would have 20 KO's, all on the same shift.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:49 am

deacon,

While we will never know the answer because it won't happen, I doubt what you're saying is true. They may lose, but it would be a game. And I doubt the NHL team would win 10 out of 10.

I will admit that hockey is a very different game with development leagues than football and basketball where the top draft picks lead teams year in and year out, but if you took the top 12 forwards, top 6-8 defensemen and top 3 goalies in all of D1 college hockey, I think you'd get a VERY good game with the worst NHL team.

Just my input, I could go on. If you'd like me to, respond and disagree

Merry Christmas all

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:01 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:deacon,

While we will never know the answer because it won't happen, I doubt what you're saying is true. They may lose, but it would be a game. And I doubt the NHL team would win 10 out of 10.

I will admit that hockey is a very different game with development leagues than football and basketball where the top draft picks lead teams year in and year out, but if you took the top 12 forwards, top 6-8 defensemen and top 3 goalies in all of D1 college hockey, I think you'd get a VERY good game with the worst NHL team.

Just my input, I could go on. If you'd like me to, respond and disagree

Merry Christmas all

Kind of what I thought.. He said the worst NHL team would walk on a team of the best D1 players in the country.. I disagree, but like you said , it will never happen,.. I do think it would be good for High schools to play nationally.. Wether it be football basketball, hockey , whatever.. I would love to see the MN state champs in hockey take on the Texas state champs

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:14 am

deacon wrote:an all-star college team would not even come close to beating the worst NHL team. I'm not quite sure what you were asking regarding a high school team vs the Wild, but, I mean, are you serious?

Exactly what I would have posted upon reading the question posed in this thread.

As an older fan, I remember a time when the Gophers could put up a reasonably entertaining game against the old North Stars. But nowadays maybe only one or two of the current Gopher players could even hope to make any NHL team's roster, before getting more experience by staying in college or in the minors. Back in the "old days", foreign players in the NHL were a rare commodity, and most teams were made up of Canadians, and the U.S. was just starting to emerge. Now it's a world stage comprised of the best players across the entire globe - this has made it a whole new ballgame.

If you are talking about a high school team being even remotely competitive, whether back then or now, forget about it!

loomisfshn1 · Post by **loomisfshn1** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:20 am

An allstar D1 team would in essence be a team probably made up of future NHL players. So i think this would be a good game. If you were to take the state champs and put them up against a fairly decent D1 team I think the result would be the same considering that the state champs probably are comprised of a number of future D1'ers. Anything other than that would be a beating.

PoniesDad45 · Post by **PoniesDad45** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:59 am

Ouch! I think 15-0 maybe the the injuries inflicted by the Wild. I think they would win something more like 30-0 if they avoided any contact which they could easily do.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:01 am

One thing to keep in mind, though, in hockey and baseball is that there are development leagues before you get to the pros. When Joe Mauer was in the minors for only 3 years before making it to the MLB, that was really unheard of. Hockey is the same; it isn't usually 3 years if they are good enough. So to play devil's advocate to my own point:
If a hockey player is close to being good enough to play in the NHL, they will call the player up. So, while the dream D1 team would all be future NHL'ers, none have been determined to be good enough now to play at the next level.

Hockey is the only sport where you have many players in their late 30s still playing competitively. It is a sport of experience. 20 year olds don't have that experience yet.

loomisfshn1, look at Tonka this year. This is like the Ohio State example. They have 4 guys who will make a D1 roster next year. Four. Any bad D1 team have around 23-25. Many who got USHL experience, so are not only years older, but more experienced and stronger. Yes, I think the top players from the All State list would stand a chance. Remember, NDTP plays a D1/D3 schedule and is sub .500 usually. AA teams play a AA schedule. They would be able to skate with an average D1 school; I doubt the all state team would take more than 1 or 2 out of 10.

PoniesDad45, you really think the score would be 30-0? I'm curious as to why? I do think the NHL team would win 9 out of 10, but I doubt the score would be that bad.
I think the biggest factor would be how much time each team practiced together before the game. For example, Ryan Stoa who was top 10 in points last year for D1 players got called up by the Avalanche. He has seen two games and has 5 shots thus far. On the team last year, he would've had one less year experience, but if the team had time to practiced I think it would be a much more defense oriented approach and they'd keep the score down.

defense · Post by **defense** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:54 am

No, never in a million years. This is like putting squirts against a decent high school team. Not an exaggeration. We don't need to go into the fact that an NHL player's JOB is to be in physically great shape, he is a hockey player year round. Think skills, speed, strength. Anyone who has actually played the game for a meaningfull amount of time knows that this would be agsolutlely ridiculous.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:31 pm

As known, I haven't played. Baseball/Hockey are much different in the development from college to pros. I just think about how in both of those sports the All American teams would probably do well against the worst team in the prospective sport.

I think my Ryan Stoa example may show why it would be much different in hockey. defense, do you think the youth to the players would help them at all? While a 30-40 year old players may have more experience, they are still 30-40 years old; the All American D1 team would be 20-24.

DubCHAGuy · Post by **DubCHAGuy** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:10 pm

The NHL's worst team (by far) is currently the Carolina Hurricanes. Look at their roster. There is no way even college all-stars would stand a chance. Sure guys like Stoa are starting to get their chance in the league, but guys like Brind'Amour, Corvo, Staal, Ruutu, Jokinen, Whitney, etc. are very good NHL players right now.

defense · Post by **defense** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:43 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:As known, I haven't played. Baseball/Hockey are much different in the development from college to pros. I just think about how in both of those sports the All American teams would probably do well against the worst team in the prospective sport.

I think my Ryan Stoa example may show why it would be much different in hockey. defense, do you think the youth to the players would help them at all? While a 30-40 year old players may have more experience, they are still 30-40 years old; the All American D1 team would be 20-24.

Nope, not at all. At each level in hockey, the pace of the game picks up immensly from the previous level. All I have to do is think about stick handling skills. You can say that not all NHLers are great stick handlers, trust me, when they come against a high school kid, all will be great stick handlers. I have had the opportunity to coach youth teams. While when I played my stick handling wasn't special at all, against youth players, I look like a pro. The saying is that the great players see the game at slow motion, these nhlers have played two different levels at least since hs age. To all of the nhlers, the game would be in slow motion.

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:47 pm

One HS kid that came to mind when you were talking about speed and Unreal stick handling .. TJ Oshie.. Who is currently the only reason I watch the blues.. Its great to see these kids I watched in the State tourney a few years back, now among the top players in the NHL.. Good luck to him on being considered for the US Olympic team

WB6162 · Post by **WB6162** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:12 pm

LOL, this would be like sending a Pinto to drag race a Mustang GT500.

There's a chance the Mustang could blow a tire or engine but not very likely

mj79 · Post by **mj79** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:33 pm

WB6162 wrote:LOL, this would be like sending a Pinto to drag race a Mustang GT500.

There's a chance the Mustang could blow a tire or engine but not very likely

I would have compared it to a saleen s7, possibly a Audi R8.. B ut I suppose a slow er boring old time gt500 will do