AA or A?

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:45 am

What is the enrollment number that forces a team from A to AA? Who are the opt ups and is anyone allowed to opt down? If so, who?

longdistancespectator8 · Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:55 am

Have to assume that Roseau, Grand Rapids, etc. are opt ups. they definitely don't have the enrollment that E.P. and Minnetonka have

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:00 am

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/enrollments.asp?sort=2

Not an answer to the question, but here is a list of the schools by enrollment.

The school with the 60th biggest enrollment is in Class A. That includes having Mpls/st paul schools above them who don't have programs.

There are 72 AA teams, so it may be the top 64 including co-ops, plus opt ups. Does anyone know if there is a list of co-ops and their enrollments published?

Monticello, for example, if 72nd on the list but is a co-op and therefore AA.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:13 am

Hockey, Boys AA 1275-3060
Hockey, Boys A 1-1274

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:13 am

Hockey / Boys & Girls
Boys:
Largest 64 = Class AA
Remainder = Class A
Girls:
Largest 64 = Class AA
Remainder = Class A

MNhockeyNut · Post by **MNhockeyNut** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:18 am

It can’t be based on enrollment numbers alone.
All of Minneapolis schools (6,000+ students) to form 1 team. They play in the Two River conference.
I am not sure where the play in post season Section Play.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:20 am

72 double A teams, so 8 opt ups.

You cannot opt down.

The 6 opt ups are:
Roseau
Grand Rapids
Cloquet
Hill
Benilde
AHA
and 2 more

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:28 am

MNhockeyNut wrote:It can’t be based on enrollment numbers alone.
All of Minneapolis schools (6,000+ students) to form 1 team. They play in the Two River conference.
I am not sure where the play in post season Section Play.

Benilde-St. Margaret's School
Eden Prairie High School
Holy Family Catholic High School
Hopkins High School
Minnetonka High School
Robbinsdale Armstrong High School
Robbinsdale Cooper High School
Wayzata High School
Coop: 296 "Minneapolis Novas"
Great River School
Minneapolis Edison High School
Minneapolis North Community H.S.
Minneapolis Patrick Henry H. S.
Minneapolis Roosevelt High School
Minneapolis South High School
Minneapolis Southwest High School (HOST)
Minneapolis Washburn High School
Minnesota Transitions

AA - conference has nothing to do with it.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:34 am

elliott70 wrote:Hockey, Boys AA 1275-3060
Hockey, Boys A 1-1274

All info from MSHSL - not sure of the above numbers if this is what was used the last time they evaluated, every 2 years I believe.

formerlybackofnet · Post by **formerlybackofnet** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:35 am

It is not based on enrollment alone. The number of kids on goverment assisted meal programs figures into the number. this allows larger inner city schools that due to demographics have smaller numbers of students that would play hockey, opt to play in single A.

MNhockeyNut · Post by **MNhockeyNut** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:39 am

elliott70 : I do not understand what you are saying with the list..
Please explain.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:57 am

formerlybackofnet wrote:It is not based on enrollment alone. The number of kids on goverment assisted meal programs figures into the number. this allows larger inner city schools that due to demographics have smaller numbers of students that would play hockey, opt to play in single A.

Not exactly.
The enrollments are adjusted for this and the top 64 are AA.
There is no opt to A.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:59 am

MNhockeyNut wrote:elliott70 : I do not understand what you are saying with the list..
Please explain.

That is the Minneapolis Section for AA - section 6AA.
Minneapolis is a Coop school.

TheHockeyDJ · Post by **TheHockeyDJ** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:09 am

I wish they'd change it to all schools with an enrollment of 800 or more are forced into AA and private schools irregardless of enrollment.

MNhockeyNut · Post by **MNhockeyNut** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:14 am

Oh, ok. I got it.
So a “big school” can opt to play A during regular season play, but must play AA in section play.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:30 am

MNhockeyNut wrote:Oh, ok. I got it.
So a “big school” can opt to play A during regular season play, but must play AA in section play.

yes AA - A play each other all the time.
conference play has nothing to do with Aa - A

defense · Post by **defense** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:56 am

Didn't a TC area private school opt up for the first time last summer? And I thought DuLuth East was opt up as well?? Bemidji is too, remembering that their players begged for it.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:09 am

defense wrote:Didn't a TC area private school opt up for the first time last summer? And I thought Duluth East was opt up as well?? Bemidji is too, remembering that their players begged for it.

Bemidji did opt up, but not sure if it was in this cycle or not.
Deast has opted up but again not sure if it is in the current cycle.

Holy Family maybe opted up??????
Because of the adjustments and co-ops it is difficult to tell from the school enrollment what some schools numbers are.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:09 am

Rapids-great idea ! See St.Thomas vs SSM.

Post by **karl(east)** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:27 am

elliott70 wrote:
defense wrote:Didn't a TC area private school opt up for the first time last summer? And I thought Duluth East was opt up as well?? Bemidji is too, remembering that their players begged for it.
Bemidji did opt up, but not sure if it was in this cycle or not.
Deast has opted up but again not sure if it is in the current cycle.

Holy Family maybe opted up??????
Because of the adjustments and co-ops it is difficult to tell from the school enrollment what some schools numbers are.

Pretty sure Bemidji is an opt-up for this cycle. Holy Family definitely is.

East lost its opt-up status this year with the opening of the new building and the addition of some Central students. Enrollment is now in the 1400-1500 range.

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:48 am

MNhockeyNut wrote:Oh, ok. I got it.
So a “big school” can opt to play A during regular season play, but must play AA in section play.

There's no such thing as "A" or "AA" during the regular season. Conferences aren't set up that way. It's only when you get to Sectional play that teams get split up into "A" and "AA"/

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:54 am

-If you are on free/reduced lunch, you count as 4/10 of a person for the count.
-If you are in a co-op, the enrollments of all the schools in your co-op are counted.

Then the 157 schools are lined up, the top 64 based on enrollment are then placed in AA, and then opt ups are added to AA.

Is there anywhere the MSHSL has sport specific enrollment listed?

How bout this for the next change:
-If a private school has made the section semi-finals in the last two years, they are in AA.
-Opt ups in AA.
-All co-ops in A, unless they choose to opt up.

Opt ups, privates, plus the next x number of teams to get to 64 teams in AA.

Thoughts?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:03 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:-If you are on free/reduced lunch, you count as 4/10 of a person for the count.
-If you are in a co-op, the enrollments of all the schools in your co-op are counted.

Then the 157 schools are lined up, the top 64 based on enrollment are then placed in AA, and then opt ups are added to AA.

Is there anywhere the MSHSL has sport specific enrollment listed?

THEY USED TO LIST IT, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN IT ONTHEIR SITE NOW.

How bout this for the next change:
-If a private school has made the section semi-finals in the last two years, they are in AA.
-Opt ups in AA.
-All co-ops in A, unless they choose to opt up.

Opt ups, privates, plus the next x number of teams to get to 64 teams in AA.

Thoughts?

Zamman · Post by **Zamman** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:03 am

Any private school in the seven county metro should be forced to play AA. They pull their kids from all over whether they are in an A school or AA school. Puts the playing field on the level. Then other schools such as a Mpls Co-op can play down to A as they should....

Any takers STA, TG, Breck or Blake?

hockeydad4 · Post by **hockeydad4** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:15 am

elliott70 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:-If you are on free/reduced lunch, you count as 4/10 of a person for the count.
-If you are in a co-op, the enrollments of all the schools in your co-op are counted.

Then the 157 schools are lined up, the top 64 based on enrollment are then placed in AA, and then opt ups are added to AA.

Is there anywhere the MSHSL has sport specific enrollment listed?

THEY USED TO LIST IT, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN IT ONTHEIR SITE NOW.

How bout this for the next change:
-If a private school has made the section semi-finals in the last two years, they are in AA.
-Opt ups in AA.
-All co-ops in A, unless they choose to opt up.

Opt ups, privates, plus the next x number of teams to get to 64 teams in AA.

Thoughts?

there is a Wikipedia site with enrollments for hockey. I do not know how current it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_ ... ice_hockey