Wisconsin Fire

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:59 am

I had always been a strong supporter of the Fire as an alternative for good players from associations either without A teams or with really weak programs. This was before it gotten taken over by the Orange Monster though. Fire can't go to Nationals - end of story - no state championship to play for. If your kid can play - stay away from Choice and Fire and play for your community and lead your team to the State Tournament. BUT whatever you do - don't listen to anything HD41 with the NHL bound 6 year old has to say. Completely Clueless!

Just wanted to have a post on the longest thread I've ever seen!!

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:54 am

Orangekoolaid-I'm still waiting for that proof of status.

High Off The Glass · Post by **High Off The Glass** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:30 am

Doglover wrote:I had always been a strong supporter of the Fire as an alternative for good players from associations either without A teams or with really weak programs. This was before it gotten taken over by the Orange Monster though. Fire can't go to Nationals - end of story - no state championship to play for. If your kid can play - stay away from Choice and Fire and play for your community and lead your team to the State Tournament. BUT whatever you do - don't listen to anything HD41 with the NHL bound 6 year old has to say. Completely Clueless!

Just wanted to have a post on the longest thread I've ever seen!!

Are you saying HD41 and OrangeKoolaid are the same?

Clueless yes, the same, maybe.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:26 am

High Off The Glass wrote:
Doglover wrote:I had always been a strong supporter of the Fire as an alternative for good players from associations either without A teams or with really weak programs. This was before it gotten taken over by the Orange Monster though. Fire can't go to Nationals - end of story - no state championship to play for. If your kid can play - stay away from Choice and Fire and play for your community and lead your team to the State Tournament. BUT whatever you do - don't listen to anything HD41 with the NHL bound 6 year old has to say. Completely Clueless!

Just wanted to have a post on the longest thread I've ever seen!!
Are you saying HD41 and OrangeKoolaid are the same? Clueless yes, the same, maybe.

Don't forget MNMade-4-Life and James B Mcbain.

MnMade-4-Life · Post by **MnMade-4-Life** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:57 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:
High Off The Glass wrote:
Doglover wrote:I had always been a strong supporter of the Fire as an alternative for good players from associations either without A teams or with really weak programs. This was before it gotten taken over by the Orange Monster though. Fire can't go to Nationals - end of story - no state championship to play for. If your kid can play - stay away from Choice and Fire and play for your community and lead your team to the State Tournament. BUT whatever you do - don't listen to anything HD41 with the NHL bound 6 year old has to say. Completely Clueless!

Just wanted to have a post on the longest thread I've ever seen!!
Are you saying HD41 and OrangeKoolaid are the same? Clueless yes, the same, maybe.
Don't forget MNMade-4-Life and James B Mcbain.

wow ... I made the hate train. WOOOO-WOOOOO!!! All Aboard!

you boys take this schtuff WAAAAAY to seriously!!! Listen, I'm sorry you got hurt feelings and all, but your pent up rage should be put to better use than clouding the forum with hate mongering and sad sad sad baiting tactics.

I'd suggest needle point!! It's much less competitive. Although I'm not sure if your court order prevents the use of sharp objects and all...

**edited for lack of ability to spell Thorzine correctly.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:01 pm

MnMade-4-Life wrote:you boys take this schtuff WAAAAAY to seriously!!! Listen, I'm sorry you got hurt feelings and all, but your pent up rage should be put to better use than clouding the forum with hate mongering and sad sad sad baiting tactics.

I'd suggest needle point!! It's much less competitive. Although I'm not sure if your court order prevents the use of sharp objects and all...

**edited for lack of ability to spell Thorzine correctly.

I don't know who "you guys" are, but it seems the guy insisting (incorrectly) that the Fire are a Tier I program - when a chorus was singing otherwise - is the one taking it too serious.

MnMade-4-Life · Post by **MnMade-4-Life** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:04 pm

O-townClown wrote:
MnMade-4-Life wrote:you boys take this schtuff WAAAAAY to seriously!!! Listen, I'm sorry you got hurt feelings and all, but your pent up rage should be put to better use than clouding the forum with hate mongering and sad sad sad baiting tactics.

I'd suggest needle point!! It's much less competitive. Although I'm not sure if your court order prevents the use of sharp objects and all...

**edited for lack of ability to spell Thorzine correctly.
I don't know who "you guys" are, but it seems the guy insisting (incorrectly) that the Fire are a Tier I program - when a chorus was singing otherwise - is the one taking it too serious.

O-town ... you need to adjust your "quote" there. No fair taking things out of context.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:27 pm

The question needs to be asked...why would the "clown" be involved in discussions towards the Wisconsin Fire Tier status while living in Florida on a Minnesota Hockey Forum board? I realize it must have been difficult realizing Bozo's side kick Cookie was actually a man but to up end and move to Florida is a little drastic...different strokes for different folks.

5thgraders · Post by **5thgraders** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:39 pm

Priceless my friend

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:05 pm

I find the fascination some have for the Wisconsin Fire amusing. I also grapple with how to regulate such matters and find Minnesota a great study ground when you consider how much hockey is played there.

The District 6 thing with Minnesota Made is also interesting to follow. I haven't posted much there, but it seems the main problem there is trying to make rules that are basically impossible to enforce.

iwearmysunglassesatnight · Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:18 pm

Ironically Huet and McPain would probably get along wonderfully in a game of twister

ThePuckStopsHere · Post by **ThePuckStopsHere** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:24 am

iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Ironically Huet and McPain would probably get along wonderfully in a game of twister

iwearmysunglassesatnight - This is so hilarious seeing you a year later bashing the Fire, go wipe the egg off your face you look like an idiot

dogeatdog1 · Post by **dogeatdog1** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:51 am

IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO! Is NOT! IS TOO!

This thread is going to hit 30 pages before We realze it... funny stuff!

Task Force 34 · Post by **Task Force 34** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:41 am

Looks like we will hit 60,000 views today.

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:19 am

iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Ironically Huet and McPain would probably get along wonderfully in a game of twister

Funny stuff!!! Gotta love this thread and O-town the Clown is a wise man - you guys should be honored he takes the time to impart some wisdom on you MNMade Clowns.

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:18 pm

This thread is simply priceless

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:52 am

Doglover wrote:
iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Ironically Huet and McPain would probably get along wonderfully in a game of twister
Funny stuff!!! Gotta love this thread and O-town the Clown is a wise man - you guys should be honored he takes the time to impart some wisdom on you MNMade Clowns.

A wise man would also state that wisdom comes from understanding rationality...if the vehicle is still moving while the "clowns" are performing the "fire" drill, then you can help them with the exercise....good luck..I'm honored.

crzyhkymom · Post by **crzyhkymom** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:23 am

The only thing I know about the Wisconsin Fire is that it's every hockey Dads "threat" when they aren't happy with their associations program. Congrats on being the guy your association is glad to get rid of.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:03 am

The only thing I know about the Fire is they don't have tier 1 status......

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:12 pm

old goalie85 wrote:The only thing I know about the Fire is they don't have tier 1 status......

That's been covered somewhere in the 28 pages of this thread... more than once

JSR · Post by **JSR** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:47 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:Oh.

I don't think there must be a whole lot to talk about 1) if this topic gets this many posts, 2) if we feel compelled to post about how many posts there are on this topic.

I guess I'm not sure what all the fuss is about; we've got the ADM, MH is the most awesome organization that ever existed, and local associations are not only well run and entirely concerned with the children and their development but more family fun than the Wisconsin Dells - the Fire parents are obviously insane to have chosen a different option, and their children will not be able to keep up with the talent developed locally, so what's all the hub-bub?

JSR, no offense, but the WAHA website is a disaster. Without a guide I was unable to figure out much of anything regarding teams invited to playdown to represent Wisconsin at the district tourney. It is purely a guess, but it looks like the Capitals are the only Tier I team in Wisconsin. I could not find anything regarding the official status of the Fire, so please enlighten those of us previously uninterested, and tell us where to find this information. OG85, no offense, but I wouldn't be looking for these kids to sit out in anticipation of joining an association to which they don't want to be associated.

Click on this link:
http://www.wahahockey.com/WAHABook/2010 ... ound_teams
Then scroll to the very bottom of the page (tons of info to scroll through to get there). Once there, there is a column spreadsheet type thing that shows how each team is classified. You;ll find Team Wisconsin, Jr. Gamblers, Jr. Admirals and the Madison Capitols are all Tier 1. You will also find three UNCLASSIFIED teams. The Wisconsin Fire is one of them.

On a side note, I agree, the WAHA site is a train wreck.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:37 pm

Wow quite the site....

Task Force 34 · Post by **Task Force 34** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Made you look...

Task Force 34 · Post by **Task Force 34** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:33 pm

Some interesting dialogue regarding Tier 1, Shattuck and the Fire on the High School Forum http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25050

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:14 pm

JSR wrote:
O-townClown wrote:
just the facts wrote: 1. I really think that MAHA is going to need to re-think its stance in the future on AAA teams during the winter because I think that USA hockey will encourage it.

2. Hockey is very expensive and we are seeing numbers go down because other sports are cheaper and what is going to happen is you are going to see more and more players leave because they do not have anyone to play with at the association or high school level.

3. I wonder how many hockey families do not move to Minnesota because they realize that this is occurring.

4. Could you imagine if we put 2 or 3 AAA teams together during the season how much fun those kids would have. The rest of the kids in Minnesota would have just as much fun or more because it would give them more opportunities and more playing time. So we take 60 kids out of association or high school at each level, would we really miss them?

5. I don't think so and instead of getting 10 to 15 Minnesota kids drafted per year we could have 20 to 40 which is where we should be with our numbers.

6. I know I am on my soap box but here is the skinny; I bet there are 60 AAA players at each level in this state that would love to play at that level every year and would jump at the chance.

7. And I know there are a lot of old school people reading this and saying that we have our traditions in this state with MAHA and the high school tournament but could you imagine the interest that these 3 teams would draw every year with college and professional scouts?

8. And I bet when you could have the National Championships in the State of Hockey we would draw a huge crowd from Minnesota and Nationally.
1 - I don't think Minnesota Hockey needs to rethink anything. You think they should. That doesn't mean the need to. USA Hockey doesn't put pressure Minnesota because the affiliate runs itself. In the words of our affiliate's past prez - Minnesota is nirvana for hockey issues.

2 - So your remedy for the high cost of hockey driving kids out of the sport is more cost? The numbers of HS-eligible players that leave for NTDP, USHL or other Juniors, or other options is still down quite a bit from its high, so the numbers don't back up your argument here.

3 - Why would you wonder that? It's like wondering if ants dream about playing soccer. You know, I was thinking of moving to Minnesota but decided not to because this is occurring.

4 - How could you put "two or three" AAA teams together? If Tier I is allowed in Minnesota - and I've said this many times - there won't be "two or three" AAA teams or even five like Michigan. There will be dozens like you see in Massachusetts. You act like somehow the top Minnesota players are going to magically get on the same team. I don't know how that could happen. Walk me through it.

5 - How do you define "where we should be"? Minnesota has more kids drafted than any other state and more than its fair proportion of registered USA Hockey players. Why should it have even more? Also, did you ever figure that the ones getting drafted are being selected without playing Tier I? Now you want to take them out of the traditional HS channel. They'll still get drafted and this creates more drafted players how?

6 - There are kids that would love to do this? Who do you suppose they are? The children of the parents who concocted this idea. That's my hunch. You allude to them probably not being from the mega associations. As it is now the Twin Cities can absorb those from lesser associations with private high schools like Benilde, Holy Angels, and Hill-Murray. Are there really this many kids that need to get to Tier I? The outstate kids you theoretically could help aren't making it to practices anywhere other than their HS.

7 - What three teams? Top Minnesota prospects are scouted very closely. Always have been and always will be. If anything, it is way better for kids the way it is now. When Brainerd played at the Schwan two years ago and the scouts were watching the big defenseman it is possible for another kid to stand out and catch someone's eye. Take that NHL prospect off to AAA Midget games with other scouted players and nobody wants to go watch Minnesota HS hockey.

8 - USA Hockey nationals won't draw well anywhere. I don't see Minnesotans caring much to see eleven teams from Phoenix, Dallas, Southern Cal, Atlanta, DC, etc... and just one from home.
Otown, the only one I have a problem with is #4. Why would there be "dozens". It is pretty simple to regulate this. For instance, WAHA has a rule that states that Tier 1 cannot make up more than 5% of the total registered hockey participants in any given age level. In MN your bylaws could say 1% or 2% to keep the number of organizations in check. Further no Tier 1 organization can have more than one team at any age level and cannot field mroe than 6 total teams nor can they be affiliated with any other association or organization (in other words, no feedder teams). All of this helps keep under control the number of winter Tier 1 organizations. Just an idea

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